Re: [talk-ph] iOS 6 using osm and tomtom?

[tutubi]

hi!

On Sep 15, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:
> 
> Did we have this conversation before?

oh yes, sort of, but what was discussed even a few days ago is obsolete now. 
cant cope up. 

tried a few apps eg myTracks et al but im too lazy to download the gpx tracks

> :-) This is all available on Android, although not in the same app as far as 
> I can find out. You can get a nice cheap Android for about 9k these days (the 
> Huawei G300 is getting good reviews), or 4k if you really push it (Cherry 
> Mobile). I use Trekbuddy for OSM data with offline maps and 1s logging. You 
> can run a different app for routing. At the same time if you want
an android is a long time want. only reconsidering it since i've lost my 
garmin. will try the cherry mobile. i want one with a tv if there's one and it 
wont hurt much if i lose it :)


> 
> Anyway, I don't see any reason to drop 40k on the latest Apple. Paying more 
> for a phone than a computer has always seemed a little obscene to me. 
> 
> 

i got an iPhone 4s as a gift, didnt buy it :) no plan to upgrade, i'm a 
peso-pincher i only need a handy camera. it will be with me til it conks out or 
lose it



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Re: [talk-ph] iOS 6 using osm and tomtom?

[Jim Morgan]

tutubi wrote, On Saturday, 15 September, 2012 10:42 AM: 
> i'm eagerly awaiting the release of iOS 6 to check the map feature reportedly 
> using tomtom and osm data.  
> i only need routing, offline maps, and 1s logging. hope they're all there

Did we have this conversation before? :-) This is all available on Android, 
although not in the same app as far as I can find out. You can get a nice cheap 
Android for about 9k these days (the Huawei G300 is getting good reviews), or 
4k if you really push it (Cherry Mobile). I use Trekbuddy for OSM data with 
offline maps and 1s logging. You can run a different app for routing. At the 
same time if you want!

Anyway, I don't see any reason to drop 40k on the latest Apple. Paying more for 
a phone than a computer has always seemed a little obscene to me. 

Jim

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[talk-ph] Rasa Surveying

[Jim Morgan]

I was on Cebupacific last week, and I saw an advert for Rasa Surveying in their 
magazine



They advertise a rather handy looking Unmanned Arial Vehicle, kitted out with 
camera and GPS. I've asked them for more details. Just for fun. I'll share them 
here if they look interesting. 

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Re: [talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback

[tutubi]

hi!

maintaining a server you need:
location space/datacenter
network equipmnt (routers/fw/switches)
warm bodies to manage 24/7
Internet connection, power aircon

you can also outsource in the cloud where you just buy a virtual server and 
connectivity

i used to be a network admin at a telco and i can attest that then, and still 
now, local peering were all "praise releases" where telcos don't cooperate plus 
lazy/ignorant routing engineers

i did the inter-network routing work back then (using BGP) to tweak routing 
parameters to route outgoing traffic to local nwtworks via local links (and not 
via our US, HK and JP links) but the return traffic I can't control. 

now i test and tweak OSM routing :)

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On Sep 15, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:

> Hello Mike,
> 
> Your proposal is actually interesting.
> 
> However, I am not actually aware of anyone in the OSMPH community who
> is experienced enough with running and maintaining a server here in
> the Philippines. The usual strategy I know is that people buy hosting
> services from data centers in located the United States.
> 
> Also, I am not familiar with the state of the Internet backbone in the
> Philippines (PHNET). I'm not 100% sure but I've read of stories where
> if you want to access a local server in the Philippines, you might
> sometimes get routed first to the United States depending on which
> Internet Service Provider you are currently on so having a local
> server might not actually help with any netowrk latency issues that
> OSM France's solution hopes to solve.
> 
> Maybe the people from Enthropia Philippines (who is generously
> sponsoring the openstreetmap.org.ph website) can provide some input?
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene
> 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:28 AM, maning sambale
>  wrote:
>> Dear Mike,
>> 
>> Im glad you met Mario in SOTM2012. Also, congrats on finally getting over
>> with the license change.
>> 
>> On to the topic, I think the idea of a server is good if this can help with
>> poor connections, especially if it can be used for disaster mapping efforts.
>> Maybe we can even design our own map style. :-)
>> 
>> Anyway, I know very little about servers so I leave it to others here to
>> discuss possibilities and challenges on such a project with osm.fr
>> 
>> Maning Sambale (mobile)
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2012 11:24 PM, "Michael Collinson"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hallo Maning and all and to Mario Baras who was at SOTM 2012 and is on
>>> this list.
>>> 
>>> I see from Maning's post to the general talk list that he is already
>>> familar with the French http://live.openstreetmap.fr/. Now here is an
>>> interesting thing.  OSM France have also built and are operating a caching
>>> download/proxy upload server for editing.  It down loads diffs every minute.
>>> JOSM users can re-direct their editors to use it instead of the London
>>> server. There is also a way to trick Potlatch into using it. For French and
>>> many European users it provides much better response. When you upload, then
>>> it sends your edit to London. It has been running for 6 months and appears
>>> to work correctly.
>>> 
>>> And then another thing:  OpenStreetMap France also have funding to do
>>> things. But they cannot spend it in France. Dot, dot, dot.
>>> 
>>> So I asked Christian Quest, "If there was interest, could they fund a
>>> similar server in the Philippines?" and got a very positive response with
>>> the caveat that a proposal has to be presented to the funding organisation
>>> and they can say yes or no. The proposal could consist of a) server(s), b)
>>> travel by OpenStreetMap France to the Philippines to train (perhaps not
>>> vital but good to create a working relationship) and c) funding to put it in
>>> a high availability data centre.
>>> 
>>> So, any interest?
>>> 
>>> In addition to helping poor connections (comments?), I see it as a way to
>>> build up a strong system administration team to complement the mapping
>>> community. The Philippine and Japan communities are probably the strongest
>>> in Asia right now.  I would also suggest that it could be used as a H.O.T
>>> server to be used in natural calamities if anyone is interested in getting
>>> involved there ... that might also improve the chances of funding.
>>> 
>>> Mike
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Re: [talk-ph] iOS 6 using osm and tomtom?

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hmmm... I know that Apple uses OSM in the maps feature of the iPhoto
app, but that is only as a basemap on which to display geocoded
photos.

I'm not sure if Apple uses OSM in the actual routable Maps app. For
that they are primarily using TomTom data.


On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:42 AM, tutubi
 wrote:
>
> i'm eagerly awaiting the release of iOS 6 to check the map feature reportedly 
> using tomtom and osm data.
>
> i only need routing, offline maps, and 1s logging. hope they're all there
>
> i will hold of again purchase of my garmin replacement

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Re: [talk-ph] mapping parties schedule

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Well, it's not a mapping party, but if you have time today, you should
go to UP Diliman to attend the OSM workshop which will happen as part
of Software Freedom Day today. The workshop will be held at the
College of Education Laboratory (Benitez Hall) from 1:00 to 2:00pm. :)


On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:22 AM, ゴー・ニコライ  wrote:
> Any mapping parties happening soon in Metro Manila or thereabouts?
>
> I'd like to meet and learn more about local OSM'ing.
>
> Nik

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[talk-ph] iOS 6 using osm and tomtom?

[tutubi]

i'm eagerly awaiting the release of iOS 6 to check the map feature reportedly 
using tomtom and osm data. 

i only need routing, offline maps, and 1s logging. hope they're all there

i will hold of again purchase of my garmin replacement
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[talk-ph] mapping parties schedule

[ゴー・ニコライ]

Any mapping parties happening soon in Metro Manila or thereabouts?

I'd like to meet and learn more about local OSM'ing.

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Re: [talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello Mike,

Your proposal is actually interesting.

However, I am not actually aware of anyone in the OSMPH community who
is experienced enough with running and maintaining a server here in
the Philippines. The usual strategy I know is that people buy hosting
services from data centers in located the United States.

Also, I am not familiar with the state of the Internet backbone in the
Philippines (PHNET). I'm not 100% sure but I've read of stories where
if you want to access a local server in the Philippines, you might
sometimes get routed first to the United States depending on which
Internet Service Provider you are currently on so having a local
server might not actually help with any netowrk latency issues that
OSM France's solution hopes to solve.

Maybe the people from Enthropia Philippines (who is generously
sponsoring the openstreetmap.org.ph website) can provide some input?

Regards,
Eugene


On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:28 AM, maning sambale
 wrote:
> Dear Mike,
>
> Im glad you met Mario in SOTM2012. Also, congrats on finally getting over
> with the license change.
>
> On to the topic, I think the idea of a server is good if this can help with
> poor connections, especially if it can be used for disaster mapping efforts.
> Maybe we can even design our own map style. :-)
>
> Anyway, I know very little about servers so I leave it to others here to
> discuss possibilities and challenges on such a project with osm.fr
>
> Maning Sambale (mobile)
>
> On Sep 14, 2012 11:24 PM, "Michael Collinson"  wrote:
>>
>> Hallo Maning and all and to Mario Baras who was at SOTM 2012 and is on
>> this list.
>>
>> I see from Maning's post to the general talk list that he is already
>> familar with the French http://live.openstreetmap.fr/. Now here is an
>> interesting thing.  OSM France have also built and are operating a caching
>> download/proxy upload server for editing.  It down loads diffs every minute.
>> JOSM users can re-direct their editors to use it instead of the London
>> server. There is also a way to trick Potlatch into using it. For French and
>> many European users it provides much better response. When you upload, then
>> it sends your edit to London. It has been running for 6 months and appears
>> to work correctly.
>>
>> And then another thing:  OpenStreetMap France also have funding to do
>> things. But they cannot spend it in France. Dot, dot, dot.
>>
>> So I asked Christian Quest, "If there was interest, could they fund a
>> similar server in the Philippines?" and got a very positive response with
>> the caveat that a proposal has to be presented to the funding organisation
>> and they can say yes or no. The proposal could consist of a) server(s), b)
>> travel by OpenStreetMap France to the Philippines to train (perhaps not
>> vital but good to create a working relationship) and c) funding to put it in
>> a high availability data centre.
>>
>> So, any interest?
>>
>> In addition to helping poor connections (comments?), I see it as a way to
>> build up a strong system administration team to complement the mapping
>> community. The Philippine and Japan communities are probably the strongest
>> in Asia right now.  I would also suggest that it could be used as a H.O.T
>> server to be used in natural calamities if anyone is interested in getting
>> involved there ... that might also improve the chances of funding.
>>
>> Mike

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Re: [talk-ph] Mapquest's default data for the PH is OSM

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

If anyone is curious, RichardF's talk that was mentioned by maning can
be watched on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Geq-bCD3zN8

I like Richard's idea of presenting OpenStreetMap as being "good
enough" for an increasing number of things.


On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:11 AM, maning sambale
 wrote:
> I just discovered this today  while watching RicahrdF's talk in ICA.
> Previously, you can access MQ's OSM data via the open.mapquest.com
> site.  Now, when you go too the main mapquest.com site, data for the
> PH is OSM. This maybe the case for some time already but its news to
> me today.
>
>
>
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> maning

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Re: [talk-ph] Booth/exhibit ideas for PhilGEOS symposium

[maning sambale]

We also have excess fund (1500.00) from a donation to the cavite mapping.
We can use that.

I am still getting more info on the booth size and what we can or cannot
install.

OSGeo-PH plans to setup banners, a computer with the OSGeo Live DVD, and
give out DVDs to participants.

Maning Sambale (mobile)
On Sep 14, 2012 8:15 AM, "Eugene Alvin Villar"  wrote:

> The following would be nice:
>
> - Updated OSM banners
> - Updated and more professional-looking brochures/leaflets/pamphlets
> - A laptop continuously running OSM-related videos/animations (like
> ITO's A Year of Edits)
> - Garmin devices showing demo routing
>
> Anyone willing to pitch in the funds so we can produce the banner and
> the leaflets? :)
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 1:17 PM, maning sambale
>  wrote:
> > Dear everyone,
> >
> > OSGeo PH and OSM PH will have an exhibition booth during the PhilGEOS
> > Symposium at UP Diliman on November 23-24, 2012.  Please share ideas
> > on what we can setup in the booth.
> >
> > http://philgeos2012.wordpress.com/
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Re: [talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback

[maning sambale]

Dear Mike,

Im glad you met Mario in SOTM2012. Also, congrats on finally getting over
with the license change.

On to the topic, I think the idea of a server is good if this can help with
poor connections, especially if it can be used for disaster mapping
efforts. Maybe we can even design our own map style. :-)

Anyway, I know very little about servers so I leave it to others here to
discuss possibilities and challenges on such a project with osm.fr

Maning Sambale (mobile)
On Sep 14, 2012 11:24 PM, "Michael Collinson"  wrote:

> Hallo Maning and all and to Mario Baras who was at SOTM 2012 and is on
> this list.
>
> I see from Maning's post to the general talk list that he is already
> familar with the French http://live.openstreetmap.fr/. Now here is an
> interesting thing.  OSM France have also built and are operating a caching
> download/proxy upload server for editing.  It down loads diffs every
> minute.  JOSM users can re-direct their editors to use it instead of the
> London server. There is also a way to trick Potlatch into using it. For
> French and many European users it provides much better response. When you
> upload, then it sends your edit to London. It has been running for 6 months
> and appears to work correctly.
>
> And then another thing:  OpenStreetMap France also have funding to do
> things. But they cannot spend it in France. Dot, dot, dot.
>
> So I asked Christian Quest, "If there was interest, could they fund a
> similar server in the Philippines?" and got a very positive response with
> the caveat that a proposal has to be presented to the funding organisation
> and they can say yes or no. The proposal could consist of a) server(s), b)
> travel by OpenStreetMap France to the Philippines to train (perhaps not
> vital but good to create a working relationship) and c) funding to put it
> in a high availability data centre.
>
> So, any interest?
>
> In addition to helping poor connections (comments?), I see it as a way to
> build up a strong system administration team to complement the mapping
> community. The Philippine and Japan communities are probably the strongest
> in Asia right now.  I would also suggest that it could be used as a H.O.T
> server to be used in natural calamities if anyone is interested in getting
> involved there ... that might also improve the chances of funding.
>
> Mike
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[talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback

[Michael Collinson]

Hallo Maning and all and to Mario Baras who was at SOTM 2012 and is on 
this list.


I see from Maning's post to the general talk list that he is already 
familar with the French http://live.openstreetmap.fr/. Now here is an 
interesting thing.  OSM France have also built and are operating a 
caching download/proxy upload server for editing.  It down loads diffs 
every minute.  JOSM users can re-direct their editors to use it instead 
of the London server. There is also a way to trick Potlatch into using 
it. For French and many European users it provides much better response. 
When you upload, then it sends your edit to London. It has been running 
for 6 months and appears to work correctly.


And then another thing:  OpenStreetMap France also have funding to do 
things. But they cannot spend it in France. Dot, dot, dot.


So I asked Christian Quest, "If there was interest, could they fund a 
similar server in the Philippines?" and got a very positive response 
with the caveat that a proposal has to be presented to the funding 
organisation and they can say yes or no. The proposal could consist of 
a) server(s), b) travel by OpenStreetMap France to the Philippines to 
train (perhaps not vital but good to create a working relationship) and 
c) funding to put it in a high availability data centre.


So, any interest?

In addition to helping poor connections (comments?), I see it as a way 
to build up a strong system administration team to complement the 
mapping community. The Philippine and Japan communities are probably the 
strongest in Asia right now.  I would also suggest that it could be used 
as a H.O.T server to be used in natural calamities if anyone is 
interested in getting involved there ... that might also improve the 
chances of funding.


Mike

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