Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 50, Issue 15
hi, i just learned from a friend that ipad has an application, the offmap 2 that uses odm map for philippines. not sure about this but maybe someone can confirm this. sam From: talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:00 PM Subject: talk-ph Digest, Vol 50, Issue 15 Send talk-ph mailing list submissions to talk-ph@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-ph-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of talk-ph digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: SOTM 2012 feedback (Eugene Alvin Villar) 2. Re: iOS 6 using osm and tomtom? (maning sambale) 3. Re: SOTM 2012 feedback (maning sambale) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:16:41 +0800 From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com To: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback Message-ID: CAPhqi6JhG7UOKev=ogrj18hgmo9t03+dovqgsd37wlczz-v...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Mike, On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: 1) Reducing latency for general mapping for as many Filipinos as possible. It looks as though all Philippine mapper's traffic would get routed through a network in or around Metro Manila no matter what. Therefore from a latency point of view alone, and assuming PLDT routing, um, peculiarities, could be resolved then Manila would be the best place to put a server. A close second would be Hong Kong ... and might be better as per Eugene's point. This reason suggests that latency is a big problem for editors in the Philippines. I daresay that latency is not that big a problem when compared to the broadband average speed of household connections in the country. Most households, when they have broadband connections at all, have an average maximum speed of around 1 Mbps. Actual speeds are much less than that. I did a ping to the OSM server from my home and I get around 400ms in terms of latency. But when you're editing in JOSM and downloading plenty of data, and especially if you also download GPS points too, the download and upload of data takes several seconds. And once the data is downloaded, JOSM will spend some time to parse the OSM XML data and to process it for editing, and this depends on the speed of one's computer. Given that kind of editing situation, latency is a small problem and might not be a best target for improvement. (See Amdahl's Law[1].) On the other hand, setting up a server in HK would also serve many Asian OSM communities like Japan and Indonesia. While this does not specifically target the OSMPH community, and might not foster a technical community, serving the Asian OSM communities might be a better reason for the investment than simply trying to solve network latency problems. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:43:26 +0800 From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: tutubi tut...@backpackingphilippines.com Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] iOS 6 using osm and tomtom? Message-ID: capzumue3u0k5-80gyxjrniixesvdohznv5ue8e0+ovdgubz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I also recommend osmand for android it supports: - offline map and routing - voice activated routing - gps log record and direct upload to osm - point edits to osm Maning Sambale (mobile) On Sep 15, 2012 1:42 PM, tutubi tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote: hi! On Sep 15, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Did we have this conversation before? oh yes, sort of, but what was discussed even a few days ago is obsolete now. cant cope up. tried a few apps eg myTracks et al but im too lazy to download the gpx tracks :-) This is all available on Android, although not in the same app as far as I can find out. You can get a nice cheap Android for about 9k these days (the Huawei G300 is getting good reviews), or 4k if you really push it (Cherry Mobile). I use Trekbuddy for OSM data with offline maps and 1s logging. You can run a different app for routing. At the same time if you want an android is a long time want. only reconsidering it since i've lost my garmin. will try the cherry mobile. i want one with a tv if there's one and it wont hurt much if i lose it :) Anyway, I don't see any reason to drop 40k on the latest Apple. Paying more for a phone than a computer has always seemed a little obscene to
Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 50, Issue 15
Yup, both offmap 2 and the original offmap uses OSM and Cloudmade (w/c is
also OSM-based) tiles
On Sunday, September 16, 2012, samuel cruz wrote:
hi,
i just learned from a friend that ipad has an application, the offmap 2
that uses odm map for philippines. not sure about this but maybe someone
can confirm this.
sam
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Hi Mike,
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Michael Collinson
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1) Reducing latency for general mapping for as many Filipinos as
possible.
It looks as though all Philippine mapper's traffic would get routed
through
a network in or around Metro Manila no matter what. Therefore from a
latency point of view alone, and assuming PLDT routing, um,
peculiarities,
could be resolved then Manila would be the best place to put a server. A
close second would be Hong Kong ... and might be better as per Eugene's
point.
This reason suggests that latency is a big problem for editors in the
Philippines. I daresay that latency is not that big a problem when
compared to the broadband average speed of household connections in
the country. Most households, when they have broadband connections at
all, have an average maximum speed of around 1 Mbps. Actual speeds are
much less than that.
I did a ping to the OSM server from my home and I get around 400ms in
terms of latency. But when you're editing in JOSM and downloading
plenty of data, and especially if you also download GPS points too,
the download and upload of data takes several seconds. And once the
data is downloaded, JOSM will spend some time to parse the OSM XML
data and to process it for editing, and this depends on the speed of
one's computer. Given that kind of editing situation, latency is a
small problem and might not be a best target for improvement. (See
Amdahl's Law[1].)
On the other hand, setting up a server in HK would also serve many
Asian OSM communities like Japan and Indonesia. While this does not
specifically target the OSMPH community, and might not foster a
technical community, serving the Asian OSM communities might be a
better reason for the investment than simply trying to solve network
latency problems.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law
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I also recommend osmand for android it supports:
- offline map and routing
- voice activated
