Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] post-typhoon pablo/bopha imagery from astrium/unosat

2012-12-28 Thread maning sambale 
Thanks jgc.  I updated the task workflow to include your offset estimates.

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 4:14 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As it might be useful to have a agreement on common offset values for this
> imagery, we could try to crowd-source their computation, by averaging
> "contributed offset estimates".
>
> I'll dive in and submit some values (from JOSM, in Mercator projection,
> epsg:3857) :
> - for Montevista : -87.1; 24.2
> - for New Bataan : -40.7; 14.4
> - for Cateel : 52.2; 13.2
> - for Baganga : -61.9; 44.9
>
> (Looking mostly at the town centers, with existing OSM data and GPS tracks
> where available. These are themselves averaged over 3 ""independent""
> estimates).
>
> So what are your offset estimates ?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jean-Guilhem
>
>
> Le 28/12/2012 16:48, maning sambale a écrit :
>>
>> Dear Severin,
>>
>> I noticed that too at Baganga.  Based on Sertit's page [0], horizontal
>> geometric reference is "Pleiades Navigation Parameters".
>> I don't know what it actually means but I suspect there were no
>> orthorectification done for the imagery.  There are uploaded traces in
>> which you can use to adjust the imagery.
>>
>>
>> [0]
>> http://sertit.u-strasbg.fr/SITE_RMS/2012/09_rms_Philippines_2012/mid/SERTIT_Charter424_P02_Philippines_Baganga_North_Damage_5k_midres.jpg
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Severin MENARD
>>   wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Maning,
>>>
>>> What about the georeferencing for this new imagery? Eg Baganga has an
>>> offset
>>> comparing to Bing and the current vector data.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>> Severin
>>>
>>>
>>>
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 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:17:19 +0800
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 Dear everyone,

 Post-disaster imagery in selected areas in Mindanao affected by
 Typhoon Pablo/Bopha is now available for tracing in OSM.  This imagery
 is currently available through JOSM and you need to agree with the
 Astrium/UNOSAT license to access them.  Full details on how to use the
 imagery is available in the individual tasks below:

 - Montevista - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/130
 - New Bataan - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/131
 - Cateel - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/132
 - Baganga - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/133

 If there are problems with accessing the imagery, just ask here. Thanks!
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[talk-ph] Mapping for damage assessment (Re: [HOT] post-typhoon pablo/bopha imagery from atrium/unosat)

2012-12-28 Thread maning sambale 
Dear Boris and everyone,

Mapping storm damage is great but before we do that, I would like to
raise this concern for discussion with HOT.  I am apprehensive towards
mapping damages for the following reasons:

1. No request (at the moment) from any ground responders on mapping
this kind of data.
2. Other agencies are already doing this [0].
3. Most of the areas we respond to have limited locally-based mappers.
 Thus, it is difficult in the future to maintain, update and remove
stale information in the db.

In my view, OSM should strive to provide the most up to date basemap
that will support ground responders.  Of course, this is all dependent
on specific areas and specific humanitarian concerns.

So, my general question in the list is:  Should we use OSM as a
platform for mapping hazards and damages during a crisis?

This is a very attractive option because of the numerous tools that
exist within the OSM ecosystem but I fear maintenance of the data
would be a big concern in the future.

[0] 
http://sertit.u-strasbg.fr/SITE_RMS/2012/09_rms_Philippines_2012/09_rms_Philippines_2012.html



On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:25 AM, boris  wrote:
> Hi Maning,
>
>  are there any suggestions how to map storm damages?
>  should we map them at all?.
>
>  For example (near Montevista) are many:
>
>  trees uprooted or broken by wind - blocking roads
>  landslides
>  washed away roads
>  floodings
>
>  So far I mapped washed away or flooded roads as construction...
>
> regards,
>  boris



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Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] post-typhoon pablo/bopha imagery from astrium/unosat

2012-12-28 Thread Jean-Guilhem Cailton 

Hi,

As it might be useful to have a agreement on common offset values for 
this imagery, we could try to crowd-source their computation, by 
averaging "contributed offset estimates".


I'll dive in and submit some values (from JOSM, in Mercator projection, 
epsg:3857) :

- for Montevista : -87.1; 24.2
- for New Bataan : -40.7; 14.4
- for Cateel : 52.2; 13.2
- for Baganga : -61.9; 44.9

(Looking mostly at the town centers, with existing OSM data and GPS 
tracks where available. These are themselves averaged over 3 
""independent"" estimates).


So what are your offset estimates ?

Best wishes,

Jean-Guilhem


Le 28/12/2012 16:48, maning sambale a écrit :

Dear Severin,

I noticed that too at Baganga.  Based on Sertit's page [0], horizontal
geometric reference is "Pleiades Navigation Parameters".
I don't know what it actually means but I suspect there were no
orthorectification done for the imagery.  There are uploaded traces in
which you can use to adjust the imagery.


[0] 
http://sertit.u-strasbg.fr/SITE_RMS/2012/09_rms_Philippines_2012/mid/SERTIT_Charter424_P02_Philippines_Baganga_North_Damage_5k_midres.jpg

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Severin MENARD
  wrote:

Hi Maning,

What about the georeferencing for this new imagery? Eg Baganga has an offset
comparing to Bing and the current vector data.


Sincerely,


Severin




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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:17:19 +0800
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Subject: [HOT] post-typhoon pablo/bopha imagery from atrium/unosat
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Dear everyone,

Post-disaster imagery in selected areas in Mindanao affected by
Typhoon Pablo/Bopha is now available for tracing in OSM.  This imagery
is currently available through JOSM and you need to agree with the
Astrium/UNOSAT license to access them.  Full details on how to use the
imagery is available in the individual tasks below:

- Montevista - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/130
- New Bataan - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/131
- Cateel - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/132
- Baganga - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/133

If there are problems with accessing the imagery, just ask here. Thanks!
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Re: [talk-ph] post-typhoon pablo/bopha imagery from atrium/unosat

2012-12-28 Thread maning sambale 
Dear Wayne,

I had the same problem previously. But logging in a different machine
solved it. Is it a problem with the other tasks?

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Wayne Manuel  wrote:
> Bakit ganun sa akin when I'm logged in for http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/132
>
> Server Error
>
> An error occurred. See the error logs for more information. (Turn debug on
> to display exception reports here)
>
>
> But when I clear my cookies, okay naman.
>
> Wayne Manuel
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:17 PM, maning sambale 
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear everyone,
>>
>> Post-disaster imagery in selected areas in Mindanao affected by
>> Typhoon Pablo/Bopha is now available for tracing in OSM.  This imagery
>> is currently available through JOSM and you need to agree with the
>> Astrium/UNOSAT license to access them.  Full details on how to use the
>> imagery is available in the individual tasks below:
>>
>> - Montevista - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/130
>> - New Bataan - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/131
>> - Cateel - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/132
>> - Baganga - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/133
>>
>> If there are problems with accessing the imagery, just ask here. Thanks!
>> --
>> cheers,
>> maning
>> --
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Re: [talk-ph] post-typhoon pablo/bopha imagery from atrium/unosat

2012-12-28 Thread Wayne Manuel 
Bakit ganun sa akin when I'm logged in for http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/132

Server Error
An error occurred. See the error logs for more information. (Turn debug on
to display exception reports here)


But when I clear my cookies, okay naman.

Wayne Manuel


On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:17 PM, maning sambale
wrote:

> Dear everyone,
>
> Post-disaster imagery in selected areas in Mindanao affected by
> Typhoon Pablo/Bopha is now available for tracing in OSM.  This imagery
> is currently available through JOSM and you need to agree with the
> Astrium/UNOSAT license to access them.  Full details on how to use the
> imagery is available in the individual tasks below:
>
> - Montevista - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/130
> - New Bataan - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/131
> - Cateel - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/132
> - Baganga - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/133
>
> If there are problems with accessing the imagery, just ask here. Thanks!
> --
> cheers,
> maning
> --
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Re: [talk-ph] When will OSM reach 1 million registered members?

2012-12-28 Thread maning sambale 
Another interesting question is that by next year, osm IDs will reach the
upper bounds of 32bit unsigned integer.  Some of the osm tools are not yet
64bit compliant. The devs are aware and we hope critical tools will be
ready once we reach that limit which some projections will be by Feb 2013.

Maning Sambale (mobile)
On Dec 28, 2012 2:12 AM, "Eugene Alvin Villar"  wrote:

> According to this website  this
> milestone will be reached sometime next week.
>
> Of course, not all of those registered members will contribute to the map.
> Only about 20% have ever edited anything on the map and there are currently
> only about 15,000 active users every month. But 1 million is such a nice
> round number so there's a bit of fanfare for this. :)
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[talk-ph] post-typhoon pablo/bopha imagery from atrium/unosat

2012-12-28 Thread maning sambale 
Dear everyone,

Post-disaster imagery in selected areas in Mindanao affected by
Typhoon Pablo/Bopha is now available for tracing in OSM.  This imagery
is currently available through JOSM and you need to agree with the
Astrium/UNOSAT license to access them.  Full details on how to use the
imagery is available in the individual tasks below:

- Montevista - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/130
- New Bataan - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/131
- Cateel - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/132
- Baganga - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/133

If there are problems with accessing the imagery, just ask here. Thanks!
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