Re: [talk-ph] Request for comment: revised Philippine road classifications (was at: Revisiting road classifications)

2019-11-05 Thread Timeo Gut
I always found our road classification guidelines to be too imprecise and at 
the same time too complicated. Even after months of being an active mapper I 
still found myself reading the guidelines over and over again to  confirm if my 
chosen classifications would really meet all the different criteria. Of course 
it is challenging to precisely define something that's inherently full of grey 
areas, but I think your efforts are a great step into the right direction.

As of now we have a summary in tabular form on the page of general mapping 
conventions and also the more detailed but seemingly independently written page 
for road classifications. It seems to me that the proposal in its current form 
could not fully replace either of them.

I agree with many of the suggested changes (especially for the higher road 
classes), I just find some of the wordings a bit overly complicated and some of 
the descriptions a bit narrowly defined.  As for removing the urban bias, I 
think we should put in some additional effort in redefining the lower road 
classes. In my daily mapping I find that a huge part of the inaccurate road 
classifications happen with tertiary, unclassified, tracks and paths.

Here is my attempt in compounding a structured overview based on your proposal, 
some of the old definitions and some new suggestions:


  *   Tag
 *   Title
*   Description
   *   Examples and Characteristics


  *   Motorway
 *   High Speed Routes
*   Limited-Access Expressways
   *   Always Grade-Separated
   *   Speed Limit: 100 km/h
   *   Speed Limit: 80 km/h (Trucks and Buses)
   *   Minimum Speed: 60 km/h

  *   Trunk
 *   Major National Transportation Backbone Routes
*   Major Highways connecting Key Cities
*   Diversion/Bypass Roads of Key Cities
*   Non Grade-Separated Expressways
   *   Almost All National Primary Roads (N1-N99)
   *   Some National Secondary Roads (N100-N999)
   *   Typical Number of Lanes: 4-6
   *   Typical Speeds: 60-80 km/h

  *   Primary
 *   Roads of Major Regional Importance
*   Major Highways connecting Minor Cities and Key Municipalities
*   Diversion/Bypass Roads of Minor Cities and Key Municipalities
*   Major Urban Arteries
   *   Most National Secondary Roads (N100-N999)
   *   Some National Tertiary Roads
   *   Typical Number of Lanes: 2-4
   *   Typical Speeds Urban: 30-60 km/h
   *   Typical Speeds Rural: 60-80 km/h

  *   Secondary
 *   Roads of Minor Regional Importance and Major Local Importance
*   Main Roads connecting all Municipalities
*   Main Roads connecting Key Barangays
*   Minor Urban Arteries
   *   Most National Tertiary Roads
   *   Typical Number of Lanes: 2-4
   *   Typical Speeds Urban: 30-40 km/h
   *   Typical Speeds Rural: 40-80 km/h
   *   Sometimes Unpaved in Rural Areas

  *   Tertiary
 *   Roads of Local Importance
*   Urban: Collector Roads or Major Local Streets
   *   Typical Number of Lanes: 2
   *   Typical Speeds: 30-40 km/h
*   Rural: Roads connecting Barangays and big Sitios or Puroks
   *   Typical Number of Lanes: 2
   *   Typical speeds: 30-60 km/h
   *   Sometimes Unpaved

  *   Unclassified
 *   Roads of Minor Local Importance
*   Urban: Mixed-use Non-residential Roads
   *   Typical Number of Lanes Urban: 2
   *   Typical Speeds Urban: 30-40 km/h
*   Rural: Roads connecting small Sitios or Puroks
   *   Typical Number of Lanes Rural: 1
   *   Typical speeds Rural: 30-60 km/h
   *   Often Unpaved

  *   Residential
 *   Residential Roads
*   Roads specifically used to access Houses
   *   Typical Number of Lanes: 1-2
   *   Typical Speeds: 10-30 km/h
   *   Often has Traffic calming Measures
   *   Sometimes Unpaved

  *   Service
 *   Roads with specific Function
*   Parking Lot Roads, Drive-Thru Lanes, Access Roads around Buildings, 
Private Driveways
*   Farm Driveways, Single-track Farm Roads
   *   Typical Number of Lanes: 1-2
   *   Typical Speeds: 10-30 km/h

  *   Track
 *   Very rough Roads
*   Roads only accessible by 4x4 or Motorbike
*   Access Roads to Farmland and very remote Sitios
   *   Typical Number of Lanes: 1
   *   Often passes through Waterways
   *   Often impassable during heavy Rain

  *   Path
 *   Paths
*   Paths leading to very remote Sitios
*   Hiking Trails, Mountain Bike Trails
   *   Only accessible by Foot or Bicycle
   *   Typical Width: 0.5-1.5 m
   *   Usually unpaved

  *   Footway
 *   Footways
*   Paths specifically for Pedestrians
*   Paths

Re: [talk-ph] Suggesting removing names from expressway ramps (but keep on junction nodes)

2019-11-05 Thread Ian Lopez via talk-ph
I personally prefer to retain exit/interchange names from expressway ramps but 
I have no problem with moving such names to motorway junctions.

Aside: Are we the only country that has exit/interchange names on expressway 
ramps?

Regards,

Ian Lopez

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On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 6:40:22 AM GMT+8, Jherome Miguel 
 wrote:  
 
 I am suggesting removing exit/interchange names from expressway ramps 
(highway=motorway_link), so that the underlying destination info can be used 
for routing, while the common exit name (without the "Exit/Interchange" suffix) 
will be retained in the exit location node (highway=motorway_junction). This 
mapping will allow retaining the exit name on the map (as with the norm in the 
Philippines), while allowing destination info to be used for the router. 
Do anyone are okay about this? Further questions or 
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