Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
Well, there's a loophole in that provision. If what you get from the government is *pure data* (numerical coordinates, etc.), then you can't use it in OSM without permission. This is the idea behind the DepEd and DOH data we are getting/trying to get. On the other hand, if what you get is an image (e.g., map), then you are free to take facts that you can see when you look at the image/map. The Philippine IP Law follows the US IP Code in that facts aren't copyrightable. You can't use or distribute the map itself for commercial purposes without permission, or copy the creative aspects of the map (which are copyrightable) such as colors, styling, cartography, etc. without permission, for commercial purposes. But you can get facts that you have interpreted from the image and use that in any manner you choose because facts aren't copyrightable and the government did not give you that fact outright. Of course, we can just ask DPWH for permission. There's an email address on the website: taduran.er...@dpwh.gov.ph Eugene On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:40 AM, maning sambale wrote: > > On Jun 12, 2013 10:01 AM, "tutubi" > wrote: > > > > on copyright, did you know the work of the government, by law, is not > covered by copyright unless you use it for profit? > > Which precisely why we can't directly copy from government data unless > there is explicit permission. OSM encourages commercial use. > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
Dear Rally, On Jun 12, 2013 10:02 AM, "Rally de Leon" wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM > Maning, > it's obviously OSM basemap under the Baguio jpg right? in fact get a copies as proof in the future. How does copyright works? Enlighten us. I understand if they add new info on top of that OSM map, then they're obligated to share the new info back to OSM? I guess the dpwh's copyright restriction was just a copy&paste thing. I'm not sure I can give you a straightforward answer since I am confused myself sometimes. :) There is a concept of derived database and produced work in odbl. Depending on how you use osm data and distribute the output, it may fall on either of the above category. In fact, the default map tile is not odbl but cc-by-sa. The wiki has sample use cases. > I say let DPWH use it more on their projects silently, so that we'll have more proof..., and then it's easier to officially negotiate for sharing of government data in the future (give & take arrangements). :-) I think government use of osm is what most of us want. I'm actually curious why they use osm over other webmap service. Is it easier to use? Nice cartography? Better data? How can we help them even further beyond using osm as a background layer? ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
On Jun 12, 2013 10:01 AM, "tutubi" wrote: > > on copyright, did you know the work of the government, by law, is not covered by copyright unless you use it for profit? Which precisely why we can't directly copy from government data unless there is explicit permission. OSM encourages commercial use. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM, maning sambale wrote: > Nice! The surface type (concrete, asphalt) is good data we can add in OSM, > unfortunately, the disclaimer pdf has very strict copyright restrictions. > > Maning Sambale (mobile) > Maning, it's obviously OSM basemap under the Baguio jpg right? in fact get a copies as proof in the future. How does copyright works? Enlighten us. I understand if they add new info on top of that OSM map, then they're obligated to share the new info back to OSM? I guess the dpwh's copyright restriction was just a copy&paste thing. I say let DPWH use it more on their projects silently, so that we'll have more proof..., and then it's easier to officially negotiate for sharing of government data in the future (give & take arrangements). :-) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
on copyright, did you know the work of the government, by law, is not covered by copyright unless you use it for profit? it's somewhere in the copyright law, a popular topic in photography forums --- I explore, therefore I blog! http://www.backpackingphilippines.com http://www.facebook.com/backpackingPhilippines http://www.twitter.com/backpackPH On Jun 12, 2013, at 9:43 AM, maning sambale wrote: > Nice! The surface type (concrete, asphalt) is good data we can add in OSM, > unfortunately, the disclaimer pdf has very strict copyright restrictions. > > Maning Sambale (mobile) > > On Jun 12, 2013 7:14 AM, "Eugene Alvin Villar" wrote: >> The roads under the maintenance of the DPWH Baguio City District Engineering >> Office is another area that uses OSM as a basemap: >> http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/baguio_city.htm >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar >> wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> You might find this interesting. DPWH has provided a site showing its >>> database of what I presume are National Roads that are under its >>> maintenance: >>> http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/index.htm >>> >>> What's even more interesting is that they are using screenshots of OSM maps >>> as the basemap for several maps of roads in Metro Manila. For example, >>> here's northern Quezon City: >>> http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/quezon_city_1st.htm >> >> >> ___ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
Clicking on Region IV-A on DPWH link: http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/region_iv_a.htm Is it safe to classify Caylabne Road a trunk (an extension of Governor's Drive)? How about Naic-to-Mendez and the Tanza-Trece Martirez roads? Weird, Aguinaldo Highway & Sta-Rosa-Tagaytay Road classified as secondary, yet Calamba Road is arterial?? can't be Declassify as trunk (back to primary) the pagsanjan-louisiana-lucban route? (road is too narrow anyway) Calauan-Nagcarlan route is just a minor road on OSM but looks like a trunk going all the way to Tayabas on DPWH's map. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Hi guys, > > You might find this interesting. DPWH has provided a site showing its > database of what I presume are National Roads that are under its > maintenance: > http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/index.htm > > What's even more interesting is that they are using screenshots of OSM > maps as the basemap for several maps of roads in Metro Manila. For example, > here's northern Quezon City: > http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/quezon_city_1st.htm > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
Nice! The surface type (concrete, asphalt) is good data we can add in OSM, unfortunately, the disclaimer pdf has very strict copyright restrictions. Maning Sambale (mobile) On Jun 12, 2013 7:14 AM, "Eugene Alvin Villar" wrote: > The roads under the maintenance of the DPWH Baguio City District > Engineering Office is another area that uses OSM as a basemap: > http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/baguio_city.htm > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> You might find this interesting. DPWH has provided a site showing its >> database of what I presume are National Roads that are under its >> maintenance: >> http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/index.htm >> >> What's even more interesting is that they are using screenshots of OSM >> maps as the basemap for several maps of roads in Metro Manila. For example, >> here's northern Quezon City: >> http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/quezon_city_1st.htm >> > > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
The roads under the maintenance of the DPWH Baguio City District Engineering Office is another area that uses OSM as a basemap: http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/baguio_city.htm On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Hi guys, > > You might find this interesting. DPWH has provided a site showing its > database of what I presume are National Roads that are under its > maintenance: > http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/index.htm > > What's even more interesting is that they are using screenshots of OSM > maps as the basemap for several maps of roads in Metro Manila. For example, > here's northern Quezon City: > http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/quezon_city_1st.htm > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
Hi guys, You might find this interesting. DPWH has provided a site showing its database of what I presume are National Roads that are under its maintenance: http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/index.htm What's even more interesting is that they are using screenshots of OSM maps as the basemap for several maps of roads in Metro Manila. For example, here's northern Quezon City: http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/quezon_city_1st.htm ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
