Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: MEDAIR : Philipines Imagery

[Mark Cupitt]

Hi Michael, when I was in Panay on our response, we talked about this. we
felt that the General on the scene would have had final say.

You are right, later on down the track, anything embarrassing would be
dimly viewed and could leave you wide open on any number of possibilities.
General Who said it was ok

Cheers


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On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Michael Cole wrote:

>  Looks like we are all thinking and done some research on this..
>
>
>
> Mark if we have to get all those approvals I don't think it really is
> going to Fly..
>
>
>
> In the case with the FAA, they actually dont have coverage if the height
> is low enough.. They had a "Fight" with one guy, but it was more
> inter-department problems.
>
>
>
> You actually need a licence in Australia..:)
>
> http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_100374
>
>
>
> So its a Uphill battle, If its for a disaster area, there are two things
> to remember the government do not want bad publicity so they will let it
> happen a little, but if the photos, put the government in a bad light then
> they will really throw the book at you.
>
>
>
> Being an Expat is a bigger Risk because then they could get you on spying,
> I was in the UAE when a guy using GPS was arrested and thrown in jail for
> marking Phone antenna Locations in Russia.. I quickly hid what I was doing,
> so as to not risk the questions being asked..
>
>
>
> Regards Michael Cole.
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> On Friday, May 9, 2014 10:54:34 AM Mark Cupitt wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
>
> I have been trying to convince some people to tip in to get 2 units plus 1
> Super LapTops for disaster response (Preferably 2 sets)
>
>
> The idea is to base these in key locations, Luzon and Visayas) where they
> can be used to respond quickly to any crisis, (Flooding, Land Slide, etc),
> providing quick, meaningful information to decision makers
>
>
> They would be deployed using Vehicles or possibly a Bike followed by a
> Vehicle, with 2 units of drone being able to cover a lot more area and
> deliver very useful data very quickly, as well as having a backup in case
> one goes AOG
>
>
> The challenges are:
>
>
> 1. Price: $20K US per drone (this can probably be negiotated down), $US5K
> for a super Laptop, $US4K for Solar Charging Systems, batteries to power
> the whole setup. Assuming no Grid Power Available which is likely. That is
> $29K per setup
>
> 2. Getting the processed imagery out to people who can use it. It is
> unlikely that there will be internet, so it will have to be processed and
> taken somewhere where it can be uploaded
>
> 3. Staffing. Would need a minimum of two people to run this per
> deployment, with probably one central office person to handle final
> processing of imagery, upload to WMS, etc, plus a Coordinator (possibly the
> same person as Central Office)
>
> 4. Staff Availability. - Having staff sitting around and waiting is not
> feasible financially.
>
> 5. Legality - It is actually illegal to take aerial photos in the
> Philippines without CAAP and Military J3 Clearances, which are very
> specific to each particular operation/flight. The process would probably
> drown in Red Tape. The only option would be to get a specific exemption for
> relief operations, but even the FAA is having a difficult time coming to
> grips with Drones running around unfettered. I honestly do not hold any
> hope that it would be easy to obtain an unrestricted operational ability.
> FYI, General Aviation aircraft are legally allowed to operate at 500 ft and
> above over non built up areas, and 1000 ft and above over built up areas,
> and this would be the sticking point for the CAAP. There is a clear
> possibility of conflict with Helicopters, etc.
>
> 6. Control - someone in Government would 

Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: MEDAIR : Philipines Imagery

[Mark Cupitt]

Hi Jim,

I have been trying to convince some people to tip in to get 2 units plus 1
Super LapTops for disaster response (Preferably 2 sets)

The idea is to base these in key locations, Luzon and Visayas) where they
can be used to respond quickly to any crisis, (Flooding, Land Slide, etc),
providing quick, meaningful information to decision makers

They would be deployed using Vehicles or possibly a Bike followed by a
Vehicle, with 2 units of drone being able to cover a lot more area and
deliver very useful data very quickly, as well as having a backup in case
one goes AOG

The challenges are:

1. Price: $20K US per drone (this can probably be negiotated down), $US5K
for a super Laptop, $US4K for Solar Charging Systems, batteries to power
the whole setup. Assuming no Grid Power Available which is likely. That is
$29K per setup
2. Getting the processed imagery out to people who can use it. It is
unlikely that there will be internet, so it will have to be processed and
taken somewhere where it can be uploaded
3. Staffing. Would need a minimum of two people to run this per deployment,
with probably one central office person to handle final processing of
imagery, upload to WMS, etc, plus a Coordinator (possibly the same person
as Central Office)
4. Staff Availability. - Having staff sitting around and waiting is not
feasible financially.
5. Legality - It is actually illegal to take aerial photos in the
Philippines without CAAP and Military J3 Clearances, which are very
specific to each particular operation/flight. The process would probably
drown in Red Tape. The only option would be to get a specific exemption for
relief operations, but even the FAA is having a difficult time coming to
grips with Drones running around unfettered. I honestly do not hold any
hope that it would be easy to obtain an unrestricted operational ability.
FYI, General Aviation aircraft are legally allowed to operate at 500 ft and
above over non built up areas, and 1000 ft and above over built up areas,
and this would be the sticking point for the CAAP. There is a clear
possibility of conflict with Helicopters, etc.
6. Control - someone in Government would want to control the operation,
this could be good or bad, depending on how it was setup and who had the
priority call on deployments.

I came up with the same idea you did which was to use the equipment to map
different areas as a way to train volunteers, build skills and improve the
deployment scenarios and deliverable processing and distribution as well as
funding some of the operational costs.

I did get a lot of "What a Good Idea" but so far, no one has offered to
fund the first two units and setup. The negatives scare folks off from
putting that much money up front

This type of setup would be perfect for this country in times of crisis. I
hope it could be done, it would save a lot of lives


Regards

Mark Cupitt

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On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Jim Morgan  wrote:

> On a related note, I was wondering about the feasibility of starting a
> crowd-funded venture to start up a drone operation here, with the object of
> putting rural areas of the Philippines on the map. I hadn't really thought
> through the details, but perhaps investors over a certain threshold - say
> USD 1000 for example - could get priority mapping of their chosen area.
> Certain towns might need the data, or maybe in areas where there are high
> concentrations of hotels and tourists, the tourist industry might club
> together to get a decent map of the area. eg. Malapascua Island.
>
> The initial funding would pay for the drone purchase, flights to the
> targeted areas and accommodation. After that, it could be spun off as a
> business.
>
> Just an idle fantasy right now. Anyone have any thoughts about this?
>
> Jim
>
> maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 07 May, 2014 05:51 AM:
>
>  A team from Drone Adventure (http://www.droneadventures.org/) came to
>> Philippines to work alongside our team and take aerial pictures from
>> affected area where we work.
>>
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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: MEDAIR : Philipines Imagery

[Jim Morgan]

On a related note, I was wondering about the feasibility of starting a 
crowd-funded venture to start up a drone operation here, with the object of 
putting rural areas of the Philippines on the map. I hadn't really thought 
through the details, but perhaps investors over a certain threshold - say USD 
1000 for example - could get priority mapping of their chosen area. Certain 
towns might need the data, or maybe in areas where there are high 
concentrations of hotels and tourists, the tourist industry might club together 
to get a decent map of the area. eg. Malapascua Island.

The initial funding would pay for the drone purchase, flights to the targeted 
areas and accommodation. After that, it could be spun off as a business.

Just an idle fantasy right now. Anyone have any thoughts about this?

Jim

maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 07 May, 2014 05:51 AM:

A team from Drone Adventure (http://www.droneadventures.org/) came to
Philippines to work alongside our team and take aerial pictures from
affected area where we work.


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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: MEDAIR : Philipines Imagery

[maning sambale]

Dear Fred,

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Fred Moine  wrote:
> So far Images from Drone adventure are coming with opensource data
license.

Great!

> So far as well, we are using all those images in OSM in Haiti.
>
> for the source: we put @IOM / DroneAdventure et now @COSMHA as OSM in
> haiti are flying alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oou32o-jR0M
>
> So now it just a question to check with MapBox if the link to use in JOSM
or
> other is working. (In haiti we put the link by default , when you zoom
over
> haiti the link appear in the toolbar /Imagery)

The url is working both in JOSM and iD.
Test changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22204570

I also created a task for this:
http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/517
I suggested the source as: source=Medair/DroneAdventures
Is this OK?

> Don't forget also that you can request also the elevation model if needed,
> check with medair or Drone Adventures for that.
Even better! I already advised the local NGO assisting with the GIS needs
of the LGU to coordinate directly with Medair in Dulag.

Thanks again!

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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: MEDAIR : Philipines Imagery

[Fred Moine]

So far Images from Drone adventure are coming with opensource data license.

So far as well, we are using all those images in OSM in Haiti.

for the source: we put  @IOM / DroneAdventure   et now @COSMHA as OSM in 
haiti are flying alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oou32o-jR0M


So now it just a question to check with MapBox if the link to use in 
JOSM or other is working. (In haiti we put the link by default , when 
you zoom over haiti the link appear in the toolbar /Imagery)


Don't forget also that you can request also the elevation model if 
needed, check with medair or Drone Adventures for that.



And we just finish some test with Pix4D and Cern 
http://home.web.cern.ch/ to check the accuracy ( X , Y , Z ) case study 
soon.


But without GCP , UAV image with Pix4d is coming with "horizontal 
accuracy" less than 2 meters  for what I have seen at CERN (standard 
deviation method),


All the best FredM
On 07.05.2014 22:20, maning sambale wrote:

Should be. Most of droneadventures shots in the past can be used for
OSM.  But, lets get a full clarification first from them and Medair.

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:

The imagery is pretty good! I think this would make identifying damaged
buildings easier.

Is this layer available for tracing?


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:51 AM, maning sambale 
wrote:

Check out this amazing uav photos.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Marc Lebreuil 
Date: Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:17 PM
Subject: MEDAIR : Philipines Imagery
To: imag...@hotosm.org
Cc: rob.field...@medair.org

Dear team,

A team from Drone Adventure (http://www.droneadventures.org/) came to
Philippines to work alongside our team and take aerial pictures from
affected area where we work.

You can have a look at the pictures at:


https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/droneadv.i4khp3b1/page.html?secure=1#11/11.1188/125.0512

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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: MEDAIR : Philipines Imagery

[maning sambale]

Should be. Most of droneadventures shots in the past can be used for
OSM.  But, lets get a full clarification first from them and Medair.

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:
> The imagery is pretty good! I think this would make identifying damaged
> buildings easier.
>
> Is this layer available for tracing?
>
>
> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:51 AM, maning sambale 
> wrote:
>>
>> Check out this amazing uav photos.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Marc Lebreuil 
>> Date: Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:17 PM
>> Subject: MEDAIR : Philipines Imagery
>> To: imag...@hotosm.org
>> Cc: rob.field...@medair.org
>>
>> Dear team,
>>
>> A team from Drone Adventure (http://www.droneadventures.org/) came to
>> Philippines to work alongside our team and take aerial pictures from
>> affected area where we work.
>>
>> You can have a look at the pictures at:
>>
>>
>> https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/droneadv.i4khp3b1/page.html?secure=1#11/11.1188/125.0512
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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: MEDAIR : Philipines Imagery

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

The imagery is pretty good! I think this would make identifying damaged
buildings easier.

Is this layer available for tracing?


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:51 AM, maning sambale
wrote:

> Check out this amazing uav photos.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Marc Lebreuil 
> Date: Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:17 PM
> Subject: MEDAIR : Philipines Imagery
> To: imag...@hotosm.org
> Cc: rob.field...@medair.org
>
> Dear team,
>
> A team from Drone Adventure (http://www.droneadventures.org/) came to
> Philippines to work alongside our team and take aerial pictures from
> affected area where we work.
>
> You can have a look at the pictures at:
>
>
> https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/droneadv.i4khp3b1/page.html?secure=1#11/11.1188/125.0512
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[talk-ph] Fwd: MEDAIR : Philipines Imagery

[maning sambale]

Check out this amazing uav photos.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Marc Lebreuil 
Date: Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:17 PM
Subject: MEDAIR : Philipines Imagery
To: imag...@hotosm.org
Cc: rob.field...@medair.org

Dear team,

A team from Drone Adventure (http://www.droneadventures.org/) came to
Philippines to work alongside our team and take aerial pictures from
affected area where we work.

You can have a look at the pictures at:

 
https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/droneadv.i4khp3b1/page.html?secure=1#11/11.1188/125.0512

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