Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

BTW, what do we do to he gns_*=* tags when moving them?

Also I think that the source=gns tag MUST be deleted (or modified) when you
move them since the position of the node is no longer sourced from GNS when
you move it.


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:54 AM, maning sambale
wrote:

> Last year, Axel proposed an approach to make the place nodes more accurate:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-ph@openstreetmap.org/msg00360.html
>
> 
> this is because GNS specifies towns and cities (Feature Designation Code
> (DGS) == ADM2 (second-order administrative division)) with a low 1 to 2
> digits after the comma precision only. which makes sense, as these
> entities can be quite big.
>
> there are also much exacter (3 to 5 digit precision) coordinates of all
> these towns and cities in GNS, the ones with DGS == PPL, populated
> place. for example, for maasin in southern leyte:
>
> ADM2:   10.2, 124.85
> PPL:10.133611, 124.844722
>
> unfortunately, there is no easy way to relate the place with the exact
> coordinates to the administrative division. which i guess is why the
> import used the low precision coordinates and we got towns in the
> Philippine Sea and coastal towns on mountain ranges now.
>
> there might be some way, though. i've been fiddling around with this for
> some hours now and got some results that don't look too bad. my basic
> idea: get the name and some other characteristics (province, jog) of
> ADM2 and find the PPL entry with the same name and characteristics.
>
> there are some problems with this approach: ADM2 and PPL must have the
> same name (doesn't work for "Ormoc City"/"Ormoc"), sometimes there are
> more than 1 PPL with the same name and characteristics as ADM2 ("San
> Miguel"), sometimes the PPL coordinates are not of better precision, ...
> nonetheless, with some tweaking, i got precise coordinates for 1271
> towns and cities, or 78% of the "136 cities, 1,495 municipalities" [1]
> of the philippines.
>
> for a visual comparision of the old import and my results, i uploaded 2
> josm screenshots of leyte with landsat background [2]. first with the
> old towns and cities, then with the better precision. note how the
> coastal towns align nicely with the coastline in the second image.
>
> comments? any interest in redoing the import like this?
>
> ax
>
> p.s. does anyone know of a way to automatically find all towns and
> cities that have been edited / relocated after the initial import? these
>  towns wouldn't have to be reimported.
>
> [1]
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_municipalities_in_the_Philippines
> [2] http://picasaweb.google.com/axkosm/gns
>
> 
>
> He is referring to a wikipedia's Cities and municipalities entries
> which has a lon/lat coordinates.  I've checked on some of them and
> indeed it seems to be more accurate:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html?mlat=17.6&mlon=120.613889&zoom=12&layers=B000FTF
>
> However, many of these coordinates were extracted from Google Maps
> (there goes the debate again).  In addition, even if we are allowed to
> use this data, it maybe even more harmful to re-import 136 cities and
> 1,495 municipalities again because many have been manually moved
> already.
>
> Re-visiting his message and looking at his screenshots:
> http://picasaweb.google.com/axkosm/gns#5294006509150710466
>
> Another way for those interested to do wholesale adjustment of place
> nodes is to use Landsat image (in JOSM or Merkaartor).  Concentration
> of settlements which is an indicator of the town's poblacion are seen
> as gray-purpleish color.  You can adjust the nodes within that area.
>
> For long distance travellers, you can also note the KM markers along
> highways.  KM 0 is usually the town center.
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Marloue Pidor 
> wrote:
> > On that note, Maguindanao's Municipal Hall is located somewhere in the
> > plains with only two large structures in sight the rest are
> insignificant.
> > That's the center of the municipality and almost nothing around the area.
> I
> > been there years before and still no significant structures around the
> town
> > center except two big houses.
> >
> > murlwe
> >
> >
> > <-Original Message->
> >>From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com]
> >>Sent: 4/7/2010 6:52:03 AM
> >>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
> >>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns
> >>
> >>And of course there will be exceptions. Puerto Princesa City Hall is
> >>several kilometers away from the traditional city center/poblacion.
&g

Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[Jim Morgan]

And just thinking a bit further ... maybe we're stressing out too much about 
this ... 

Village and town names are only really useful when you're using a wide zoom 
level, say level 12. You're zoomed out and you need to locate an area, town, 
city etc. As  you zoom in, the town name disappears, and so the exact location 
of the civic centre doesn't really matter so much. 

I reckon as long as its within a couple of hundred metres of the right spot, 
its probably OK. I certainly don't think its worth spending time and effort 
going over the entire map re-aligning nodes which may or may not be in the 
right place. The ones which are way off, sure, those are worth spending time 
on. 

Jim


Eugene Alvin Villar wrote, On Tuesday, 06 April, 2010 11:59 PM:
> I suggest to place the node in the town/city proper, which is not the
> geographical center and not always where the city or town hall is. The
> city/town proper is basically where the town plaza or poblacion area is.
> Usually, it's where the church or public market is.
> 

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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[maning sambale]

Last year, Axel proposed an approach to make the place nodes more accurate:
http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-ph@openstreetmap.org/msg00360.html


this is because GNS specifies towns and cities (Feature Designation Code
(DGS) == ADM2 (second-order administrative division)) with a low 1 to 2
digits after the comma precision only. which makes sense, as these
entities can be quite big.

there are also much exacter (3 to 5 digit precision) coordinates of all
these towns and cities in GNS, the ones with DGS == PPL, populated
place. for example, for maasin in southern leyte:

ADM2:   10.2, 124.85
PPL:10.133611, 124.844722

unfortunately, there is no easy way to relate the place with the exact
coordinates to the administrative division. which i guess is why the
import used the low precision coordinates and we got towns in the
Philippine Sea and coastal towns on mountain ranges now.

there might be some way, though. i've been fiddling around with this for
some hours now and got some results that don't look too bad. my basic
idea: get the name and some other characteristics (province, jog) of
ADM2 and find the PPL entry with the same name and characteristics.

there are some problems with this approach: ADM2 and PPL must have the
same name (doesn't work for "Ormoc City"/"Ormoc"), sometimes there are
more than 1 PPL with the same name and characteristics as ADM2 ("San
Miguel"), sometimes the PPL coordinates are not of better precision, ...
nonetheless, with some tweaking, i got precise coordinates for 1271
towns and cities, or 78% of the "136 cities, 1,495 municipalities" [1]
of the philippines.

for a visual comparision of the old import and my results, i uploaded 2
josm screenshots of leyte with landsat background [2]. first with the
old towns and cities, then with the better precision. note how the
coastal towns align nicely with the coastline in the second image.

comments? any interest in redoing the import like this?

ax

p.s. does anyone know of a way to automatically find all towns and
cities that have been edited / relocated after the initial import? these
  towns wouldn't have to be reimported.

[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_municipalities_in_the_Philippines
[2] http://picasaweb.google.com/axkosm/gns



He is referring to a wikipedia's Cities and municipalities entries
which has a lon/lat coordinates.  I've checked on some of them and
indeed it seems to be more accurate:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html?mlat=17.6&mlon=120.613889&zoom=12&layers=B000FTF

However, many of these coordinates were extracted from Google Maps
(there goes the debate again).  In addition, even if we are allowed to
use this data, it maybe even more harmful to re-import 136 cities and
1,495 municipalities again because many have been manually moved
already.

Re-visiting his message and looking at his screenshots:
http://picasaweb.google.com/axkosm/gns#5294006509150710466

Another way for those interested to do wholesale adjustment of place
nodes is to use Landsat image (in JOSM or Merkaartor).  Concentration
of settlements which is an indicator of the town's poblacion are seen
as gray-purpleish color.  You can adjust the nodes within that area.

For long distance travellers, you can also note the KM markers along
highways.  KM 0 is usually the town center.

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Marloue Pidor  wrote:
> On that note, Maguindanao's Municipal Hall is located somewhere in the
> plains with only two large structures in sight the rest are insignificant.
> That's the center of the municipality and almost nothing around the area. I
> been there years before and still no significant structures around the town
> center except two big houses.
>
> murlwe
>
>
> <-Original Message->
>>From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com]
>>Sent: 4/7/2010 6:52:03 AM
>>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns
>>
>>And of course there will be exceptions. Puerto Princesa City Hall is
>>several kilometers away from the traditional city center/poblacion.
>>Some towns are also relocating town halls away from the poblacion in
>>order to add more buildings and decongest the center.
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
>> wrote:
>>> I suggest to place the node in the town/city proper, which is not the
>>> geographical center and not always where the city or town hall is. The
>>> city/town proper is basically where the town plaza or poblacion area is.
>>> Usually, it's where the church or public market is.
>>>
>>> For example, the Las Pinas city hall is here:
>>>
>>http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=14.4496929645538&mlon=120.982496738434&zoom=14
>>>

Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[Marloue Pidor]

On that note, Maguindanao's Municipal Hall is located somewhere in the
plains with only two large structures in sight the rest are
insignificant. That's the center of the municipality and almost nothing
around the area. I been there years before and still no significant
structures around the town center except two big houses.

murlwe


<-Original Message-> 
>From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com]
>Sent: 4/7/2010 6:52:03 AM
>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns
>
>And of course there will be exceptions. Puerto Princesa City Hall is
>several kilometers away from the traditional city center/poblacion.
>Some towns are also relocating town halls away from the poblacion in
>order to add more buildings and decongest the center.
>
>
>On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
wrote:
>> I suggest to place the node in the town/city proper, which is not the
>> geographical center and not always where the city or town hall is.
The
>> city/town proper is basically where the town plaza or poblacion area
is.
>> Usually, it's where the church or public market is.
>>
>> For example, the Las Pinas city hall is here:
>>
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=14.4496929645538&mlon=120.9824967384
34&zoom=14
>>
>> But I placed the Las Pinas place=city node in the poblacion area,
where the
>> plaza and the main church (home of the famous Bamboo Organ) is:
>>
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=14.4809997081757&mlon=120.9815955162
05&zoom=14
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 06 April, 2010 10:05 PM:
>>> > Glad you agree guys!  Surprised to see so many +1s in barely an
hour
>>> > from posting.  Okay then, I'll start with San Antonio in Zambales.
> That
>>> > town node is currently so far away from town proper ... it is
>currently
>>> > located on the mountains.
>>>
>>> Seems like a lot of these town / village / city markers are way off
the
>>> mark to begin with. I guess they were imported en masse from an
imprecise
>>> source. They usually seem to be 1 or 2 km off the mark. Usually when
I find
>>> them, I'll drag them closer to a known settlement -- sort of plonk
it
>in the
>>> middle of the most obvious mass of houses on a satellite view, or
near the
>>> most obvious confluence of roads. Then when someone with more local
>>> knowledge finds it, they drag it closer to the City Hall ... and
when the
>>> City Hall is actually on the map, then it's truly accurate.
>>>
>>> This process of gradually getting more and more precise seems to be
what
>>> OSM is all about really.
>>>
>>> Jim
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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[maning sambale]

And of course there will be exceptions.  Puerto Princesa City Hall is
several kilometers away from the traditional city center/poblacion.
Some towns are also relocating town halls away from the poblacion in
order to add more buildings and decongest the center.


On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:
> I suggest to place the node in the town/city proper, which is not the
> geographical center and not always where the city or town hall is. The
> city/town proper is basically where the town plaza or poblacion area is.
> Usually, it's where the church or public market is.
>
> For example, the Las Pinas city hall is here:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=14.4496929645538&mlon=120.982496738434&zoom=14
>
> But I placed the Las Pinas place=city node in the poblacion area, where the
> plaza and the main church (home of the famous Bamboo Organ) is:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=14.4809997081757&mlon=120.981595516205&zoom=14
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:
>>
>> Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 06 April, 2010 10:05 PM:
>> > Glad you agree guys!  Surprised to see so many +1s in barely an hour
>> > from posting.  Okay then, I'll start with San Antonio in Zambales.  That
>> > town node is currently so far away from town proper ... it is currently
>> > located on the mountains.
>>
>> Seems like a lot of these town / village / city markers are way off the
>> mark to begin with. I guess they were imported en masse from an imprecise
>> source. They usually seem to be 1 or 2 km off the mark. Usually when I find
>> them, I'll drag them closer to a known settlement -- sort of plonk it in the
>> middle of the most obvious mass of houses on a satellite view, or near the
>> most obvious confluence of roads. Then when someone with more local
>> knowledge finds it, they drag it closer to the City Hall ... and when the
>> City Hall is actually on the map, then it's truly accurate.
>>
>> This process of gradually getting more and more precise seems to be what
>> OSM is all about really.
>>
>> Jim
>>
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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

I suggest to place the node in the town/city proper, which is not the
geographical center and not always where the city or town hall is. The
city/town proper is basically where the town plaza or poblacion area is.
Usually, it's where the church or public market is.

For example, the Las Pinas city hall is here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=14.4496929645538&mlon=120.982496738434&zoom=14

But I placed the Las Pinas place=city node in the poblacion area, where the
plaza and the main church (home of the famous Bamboo Organ) is:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=14.4809997081757&mlon=120.981595516205&zoom=14


On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:

> Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 06 April, 2010 10:05 PM:
> > Glad you agree guys!  Surprised to see so many +1s in barely an hour
> > from posting.  Okay then, I'll start with San Antonio in Zambales.  That
> > town node is currently so far away from town proper ... it is currently
> > located on the mountains.
>
> Seems like a lot of these town / village / city markers are way off the
> mark to begin with. I guess they were imported en masse from an imprecise
> source. They usually seem to be 1 or 2 km off the mark. Usually when I find
> them, I'll drag them closer to a known settlement -- sort of plonk it in the
> middle of the most obvious mass of houses on a satellite view, or near the
> most obvious confluence of roads. Then when someone with more local
> knowledge finds it, they drag it closer to the City Hall ... and when the
> City Hall is actually on the map, then it's truly accurate.
>
> This process of gradually getting more and more precise seems to be what
> OSM is all about really.
>
> Jim
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[Jim Morgan]

Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 06 April, 2010 10:05 PM:
> Glad you agree guys!  Surprised to see so many +1s in barely an hour
> from posting.  Okay then, I'll start with San Antonio in Zambales.  That
> town node is currently so far away from town proper ... it is currently
> located on the mountains.

Seems like a lot of these town / village / city markers are way off the mark to 
begin with. I guess they were imported en masse from an imprecise source. They 
usually seem to be 1 or 2 km off the mark. Usually when I find them, I'll drag 
them closer to a known settlement -- sort of plonk it in the middle of the most 
obvious mass of houses on a satellite view, or near the most obvious confluence 
of roads. Then when someone with more local knowledge finds it, they drag it 
closer to the City Hall ... and when the City Hall is actually on the map, then 
it's truly accurate. 

This process of gradually getting more and more precise seems to be what OSM is 
all about really. 

Jim

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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[Ed Garcia]

Glad you agree guys!  Surprised to see so many +1s in barely an hour from
posting.  Okay then, I'll start with San Antonio in Zambales.  That town
node is currently so far away from town proper ... it is currently located
on the mountains.



On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Bart Bartolome  wrote:

> do I get a vote? +1 for me too then ;)
>
> On Tuesday, 06 April, 2010 09:22 PM, George Tujan wrote:
> > +1 for me as well
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Rally de Leon
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > +1 including town (at the heart of poblacion), and also for rural
> > barangays (node should be nearest the concentration of
> > community/houses... most of the time near the old churches, barangay
> > halls or very near the town/brgy plaza.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:50 PM, maning sambale
> >  > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > +1 for me
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Ed Garcia
> >  > > wrote:
> >  > Hi all.
> >  >
> >  > I have partially brought this subject up with Maning some
> > time ago and would
> >  > just like bring it up again on the forum ...
> >  >
> >  > I propose to make it standard to position town nodes as near
> > as possible to
> >  > the municipal hall of the towns.  This makes for better and
> > easier
> >  > navigation when using the osmphil_garmin GPS map that Maning
> > compiles.  Most
> >  > town nodes are still located at the geographical center of
> > the boundaries of
> >  > the town.  If the node is moved near to the municipal hall
> > (which is usually
> >  > along the main road of the town), a traveller can see better
> > what town is
> >  > "next down the road" when he/she navigates with a GPS.
> >  >
> >  > cheers
> >  > ed
> >  >
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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[Bart Bartolome]

do I get a vote? +1 for me too then ;)

On Tuesday, 06 April, 2010 09:22 PM, George Tujan wrote:
> +1 for me as well
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Rally de Leon
>  > wrote:
>
> +1 including town (at the heart of poblacion), and also for rural
> barangays (node should be nearest the concentration of
> community/houses... most of the time near the old churches, barangay
> halls or very near the town/brgy plaza.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:50 PM, maning sambale
>  >
> wrote:
>
> +1 for me
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Ed Garcia
>  > wrote:
>  > Hi all.
>  >
>  > I have partially brought this subject up with Maning some
> time ago and would
>  > just like bring it up again on the forum ...
>  >
>  > I propose to make it standard to position town nodes as near
> as possible to
>  > the municipal hall of the towns.  This makes for better and
> easier
>  > navigation when using the osmphil_garmin GPS map that Maning
> compiles.  Most
>  > town nodes are still located at the geographical center of
> the boundaries of
>  > the town.  If the node is moved near to the municipal hall
> (which is usually
>  > along the main road of the town), a traveller can see better
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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[Marloue Pidor]

+1 for me too. (http://osm.org/go/4sYiZTA6-)
<-Original Message-> 
>From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com]
>Sent: 4/6/2010 8:49:59 PM
>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns
>
>+1 for me
>
>On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Ed Garcia  wrote:
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I have partially brought this subject up with Maning some time ago
and would
>> just like bring it up again on the forum ...
>>
>> I propose to make it standard to position town nodes as near as
possible to
>> the municipal hall of the towns.  This makes for better and easier
>> navigation when using the osmphil_garmin GPS map that Maning
compiles.  Most
>> town nodes are still located at the geographical center of the
boundaries of
>> the town.  If the node is moved near to the municipal hall (which is
usually
>> along the main road of the town), a traveller can see better what
town is
>> "next down the road" when he/she navigates with a GPS.
>>
>> cheers
>> ed
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[Marloue Pidor]

Good idea, moving "Davao City" to the City Hall. Let me see if it look
better there. What I did before is to place those city/municipal name
markers to a place where there's few POI's.

Best,

murlwe
<-Original Message-> 
>From: Ed Garcia [eppgar...@gmail.com]
>Sent: 4/6/2010 8:46:58 PM
>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns
>
>Hi all.
>
>I have partially brought this subject up with Maning some time ago and
would
>just like bring it up again on the forum ...
>
>I propose to make it standard to position town nodes as near as
possible to the
>municipal hall of the towns. This makes for better and easier
navigation when
>using the osmphil_garmin GPS map that Maning compiles. Most town nodes
are
>still located at the geographical center of the boundaries of the town.
If the
>node is moved near to the municipal hall (which is usually along the
main road
>of the town), a traveller can see better what town is "next down the
road" when
>he/she navigates with a GPS.
>
>cheers
>ed
>
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[George Tujan]

+1 for me as well

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Rally de Leon  wrote:

> +1 including town (at the heart of poblacion), and also for rural barangays
> (node should be nearest the concentration of community/houses... most of the
> time near the old churches, barangay halls or very near the town/brgy plaza.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:50 PM, maning sambale  > wrote:
>
>> +1 for me
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Ed Garcia  wrote:
>> > Hi all.
>> >
>> > I have partially brought this subject up with Maning some time ago and
>> would
>> > just like bring it up again on the forum ...
>> >
>> > I propose to make it standard to position town nodes as near as possible
>> to
>> > the municipal hall of the towns.  This makes for better and easier
>> > navigation when using the osmphil_garmin GPS map that Maning compiles.
>> Most
>> > town nodes are still located at the geographical center of the
>> boundaries of
>> > the town.  If the node is moved near to the municipal hall (which is
>> usually
>> > along the main road of the town), a traveller can see better what town
>> is
>> > "next down the road" when he/she navigates with a GPS.
>> >
>> > cheers
>> > ed
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > - reeflife.eppgarcia.com
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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[Rally de Leon]

+1 including town (at the heart of poblacion), and also for rural barangays
(node should be nearest the concentration of community/houses... most of the
time near the old churches, barangay halls or very near the town/brgy plaza.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:50 PM, maning sambale
wrote:

> +1 for me
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Ed Garcia  wrote:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > I have partially brought this subject up with Maning some time ago and
> would
> > just like bring it up again on the forum ...
> >
> > I propose to make it standard to position town nodes as near as possible
> to
> > the municipal hall of the towns.  This makes for better and easier
> > navigation when using the osmphil_garmin GPS map that Maning compiles.
> Most
> > town nodes are still located at the geographical center of the boundaries
> of
> > the town.  If the node is moved near to the municipal hall (which is
> usually
> > along the main road of the town), a traveller can see better what town is
> > "next down the road" when he/she navigates with a GPS.
> >
> > cheers
> > ed
> >
> >
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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

[maning sambale]

+1 for me

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Ed Garcia  wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I have partially brought this subject up with Maning some time ago and would
> just like bring it up again on the forum ...
>
> I propose to make it standard to position town nodes as near as possible to
> the municipal hall of the towns.  This makes for better and easier
> navigation when using the osmphil_garmin GPS map that Maning compiles.  Most
> town nodes are still located at the geographical center of the boundaries of
> the town.  If the node is moved near to the municipal hall (which is usually
> along the main road of the town), a traveller can see better what town is
> "next down the road" when he/she navigates with a GPS.
>
> cheers
> ed
>
>
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[talk-ph] Node position for towns

[Ed Garcia]

Hi all.

I have partially brought this subject up with Maning some time ago and would
just like bring it up again on the forum ...

I propose to make it standard to position town nodes as near as possible to
the municipal hall of the towns.  This makes for better and easier
navigation when using the osmphil_garmin GPS map that Maning compiles.  Most
town nodes are still located at the geographical center of the boundaries of
the town.  If the node is moved near to the municipal hall (which is usually
along the main road of the town), a traveller can see better what town is
"next down the road" when he/she navigates with a GPS.

cheers
ed


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