Re: [talk-ph] Province place nodes
Thanks Mike and Maning, The XAPI call worked beautifully. I tried it before but the HTTP connection just timed out so I tried it again tonight and it worked. :-) So the following XAPI call should now return the complete 80 place=state nodes for the provinces. http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.6/node[place=state][bbox=1http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.6/node%5Bplace=state%5D%5Bbbox=116.65,4.59,126.60,21.113056 16,4,128,21] I also took the liberty of adjusting the location of some nodes to a more central location. (In some cases, the nodes were outside their provinces and located in their neighbors!) Whenever I moved nodes, I removed the tags pertaining to the GNS import since the new coordinates no longer match the ones in GNS. Anyone is free to verify/correct my edits. :-) Eugene / seav On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: state is the Map Features tag value for states, provinces and roughly synonomous high-level national subdivisions. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dstatehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place=state FYI, editing them is real easy with XAPI. The following is a bounding box for the Philippines. It will download a file that you can open and edit in JOSM. You can then upload changes directly from JOSM. Just bear in mind that these are not downloads from the live server but should normally be no more than 10 minutes older. http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.6/node[place=state][bbox=116.65,4.59,126.60,21.113056http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.6/node%5Bplace=state%5D%5Bbbox=116.65,4.59,126.60,21.113056] (just worked for me) or http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/node[place=state][bbox=116.65,4.59,126.60,21.113056] (seems to be offline) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/XAPI Mike At 06:41 AM 14/09/2009, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Why place=state? That's what the existing node have so I simply copied the convention. I checked Canada (since they have provinces and territories instead of states) and found out their nodes also use place=state. For example Saskatchewan: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/305700698 Of course, it doesn't help that Mike also imported those nodes. :-p So, i'm not sure if we should change place=state to place=province. Take note that we also had an old discussion regarding whether to use place=village for barangays. Then again, the place=city,town,suburb,hamlet,village values are for settlements, not large administrative subdivisions. Any thoughts? -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Province place nodes
state is the Map Features tag value for states, provinces and roughly synonomous high-level national subdivisions. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dstate FYI, editing them is real easy with XAPI. The following is a bounding box for the Philippines. It will download a file that you can open and edit in JOSM. You can then upload changes directly from JOSM. Just bear in mind that these are not downloads from the live server but should normally be no more than 10 minutes older. http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.6/node[place=state][bbox=116.65,4.59,126.60,21.113056] (just worked for me) or http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/node[place=state][bbox=116.65,4.59,126.60,21.113056] (seems to be offline) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/XAPI Mike At 06:41 AM 14/09/2009, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, maning sambale mailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comemmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Why place=state? That's what the existing node have so I simply copied the convention. I checked Canada (since they have provinces and territories instead of states) and found out their nodes also use place=state. For example Saskatchewan: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/305700698http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/305700698 Of course, it doesn't help that Mike also imported those nodes. :-p So, i'm not sure if we should change place=state to place=province. Take note that we also had an old discussion regarding whether to use place=village for barangays. Then again, the place=city,town,suburb,hamlet,village values are for settlements, not large administrative subdivisions. Any thoughts? ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Province place nodes
Hello guys, I think we need to update the set of province place nodes. (An example is Catanduanes: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/305704527 ). It seems these province nodes were imported from the GEONet Names Server (GNS) by Mike Collinson. The problem is, the data is outdated: the newer provinces are not included: 1. Kalinga and Apayao are still together as Kalinga-Apayao 2. Biliran 3. Guimaras 4. Compostela Valley 5. Zamboanga Sibugay 6. Dinagat Islands Also, I'm not sure if the import was complete since I don't see all the provinces' labels on zoom level 8 of the Mapnik layer. It's possible that they already exist and are just not rendered but it's very hard to check with the tools I have at hand. In particular, the following provinces might be missing: 1. Mountain Province 2. Quirino 3. Oriental Mindoro 4. Cotabato (formerly North Cotabato) Can somebody help with fixing these up? Eugene / seav ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Province place nodes
I can help a bit btw, where is the best ppoint to place the node? At the provincial capitol (if capitol location is known)? m or at the geographic center of the province? On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: I can try but not until weekend. Hope somebody beats me. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys, I think we need to update the set of province place nodes. (An example is Catanduanes: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/305704527 ). It seems these province nodes were imported from the GEONet Names Server (GNS) by Mike Collinson. The problem is, the data is outdated: the newer provinces are not included: 1. Kalinga and Apayao are still together as Kalinga-Apayao 2. Biliran 3. Guimaras 4. Compostela Valley 5. Zamboanga Sibugay 6. Dinagat Islands Also, I'm not sure if the import was complete since I don't see all the provinces' labels on zoom level 8 of the Mapnik layer. It's possible that they already exist and are just not rendered but it's very hard to check with the tools I have at hand. In particular, the following provinces might be missing: 1. Mountain Province 2. Quirino 3. Oriental Mindoro 4. Cotabato (formerly North Cotabato) Can somebody help with fixing these up? Eugene / seav ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Province place nodes
provincial capitol (if capitol location is known) This is my practice, for most places tag (if it is known) On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I can try but not until weekend. Hope somebody beats me. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys, I think we need to update the set of province place nodes. (An example is Catanduanes: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/305704527 ). It seems these province nodes were imported from the GEONet Names Server (GNS) by Mike Collinson. The problem is, the data is outdated: the newer provinces are not included: 1. Kalinga and Apayao are still together as Kalinga-Apayao 2. Biliran 3. Guimaras 4. Compostela Valley 5. Zamboanga Sibugay 6. Dinagat Islands Also, I'm not sure if the import was complete since I don't see all the provinces' labels on zoom level 8 of the Mapnik layer. It's possible that they already exist and are just not rendered but it's very hard to check with the tools I have at hand. In particular, the following provinces might be missing: 1. Mountain Province 2. Quirino 3. Oriental Mindoro 4. Cotabato (formerly North Cotabato) Can somebody help with fixing these up? Eugene / seav ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Province place nodes
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: I can help a bit btw, where is the best ppoint to place the node? At the provincial capitol (if capitol location is known)? m or at the geographic center of the province? My personal preference is at the geographical center of the province. Here's my reasoning: the purpose of the node is to place a label. And in most Philippine maps you see, you have the province label near the province's center. As for settlements (towns, cities), the label should be placed in the poblacion since that is where most maps place the labels for the settlements. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Province place nodes
After sending this mail and a yosi break. I think this might conflict with the names of Provincial City Capital. For example Malolos of Bulacan. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:13 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: provincial capitol (if capitol location is known) This is my practice, for most places tag (if it is known) On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I can try but not until weekend. Hope somebody beats me. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys, I think we need to update the set of province place nodes. (An example is Catanduanes: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/305704527 ). It seems these province nodes were imported from the GEONet Names Server (GNS) by Mike Collinson. The problem is, the data is outdated: the newer provinces are not included: 1. Kalinga and Apayao are still together as Kalinga-Apayao 2. Biliran 3. Guimaras 4. Compostela Valley 5. Zamboanga Sibugay 6. Dinagat Islands Also, I'm not sure if the import was complete since I don't see all the provinces' labels on zoom level 8 of the Mapnik layer. It's possible that they already exist and are just not rendered but it's very hard to check with the tools I have at hand. In particular, the following provinces might be missing: 1. Mountain Province 2. Quirino 3. Oriental Mindoro 4. Cotabato (formerly North Cotabato) Can somebody help with fixing these up? Eugene / seav ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Province place nodes
Ok. I tried a crack at checking/fixing the Oriental Mindoro place node and found out that this is much harder than I thought. First, I tried confirming whether there's a place node for Oriental Mindoro. Doing this with Potlatch is impossible so I used Merkaartor and serially downloaded the data in the area of Oriental Mindoro. I found no node and decided that there was none in the first place so I added the node[1]. Then on a whim, I tried the OSM Name Finder[2] despite its outdated data and found that there was indeed an existing node[3], except that it was located in Occidental Mindoro (which was why I didn't find it in the first place). So I deleted the node I added earlier and moved this existing node in its place. In the process, I renamed the existing node from Mindoro Oriental to Oriental Mindoro and removed the tags pertaining to the GNS import since the coordinates no longer match that of the GNS database[4], which was the source for the original import. I think doing this is easier with JOSM and with a planet.osm[5] Philippine extract but I refuse to install a Java virtual machine on my old computer. :-) [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/495881060/history [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Name_finder [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/305704531/history [4] http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/index.html [5] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: I can try but not until weekend. Hope somebody beats me. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Province place nodes
Why place=state? On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Further update: To the best of my abilities, I can't find the Mountain Province node so I added it[1] and confirmed that there is a node for Quirino. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/495914621/history On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I tried a crack at checking/fixing the Oriental Mindoro place node and found out that this is much harder than I thought. First, I tried confirming whether there's a place node for Oriental Mindoro. Doing this with Potlatch is impossible so I used Merkaartor and serially downloaded the data in the area of Oriental Mindoro. I found no node and decided that there was none in the first place so I added the node[1]. Then on a whim, I tried the OSM Name Finder[2] despite its outdated data and found that there was indeed an existing node[3], except that it was located in Occidental Mindoro (which was why I didn't find it in the first place). So I deleted the node I added earlier and moved this existing node in its place. In the process, I renamed the existing node from Mindoro Oriental to Oriental Mindoro and removed the tags pertaining to the GNS import since the coordinates no longer match that of the GNS database[4], which was the source for the original import. I think doing this is easier with JOSM and with a planet.osm[5] Philippine extract but I refuse to install a Java virtual machine on my old computer. :-) [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/495881060/history [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Name_finder [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/305704531/history [4] http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/index.html [5] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I can try but not until weekend. Hope somebody beats me. -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Province place nodes
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Why place=state? That's what the existing node have so I simply copied the convention. I checked Canada (since they have provinces and territories instead of states) and found out their nodes also use place=state. For example Saskatchewan: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/305700698 Of course, it doesn't help that Mike also imported those nodes. :-p So, i'm not sure if we should change place=state to place=province. Take note that we also had an old discussion regarding whether to use place=village for barangays. Then again, the place=city,town,suburb,hamlet,village values are for settlements, not large administrative subdivisions. Any thoughts? ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Province place nodes
Ah yeah. As far as I remember the agreement was for barangay: place:ph-barangay place=village name=X I don't have questions regarding changing or not. Just want to know the wisdom behind it. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Why place=state? That's what the existing node have so I simply copied the convention. I checked Canada (since they have provinces and territories instead of states) and found out their nodes also use place=state. For example Saskatchewan: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/305700698 Of course, it doesn't help that Mike also imported those nodes. :-p So, i'm not sure if we should change place=state to place=province. Take note that we also had an old discussion regarding whether to use place=village for barangays. Then again, the place=city,town,suburb,hamlet,village values are for settlements, not large administrative subdivisions. Any thoughts? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
