Re: [talk-ph] please revert this user's edit (Re: Fwd: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal(assistance required in various countries))
> > BTW, we're lucky that we don't have to deal with people like RR8. Instead, > all we need now is some understanding and consensus. > Yep, the RR8 issue seems to be a deliberate vandalism. I don't think this is the same situation with deck and anthony's edits. Overeagerness maybe the word. -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] please revert this user's edit (Re: Fwd: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal(assistance required in various countries))
Regarding cleaning up and/or removing some tainted data, it could be a tricky one. I did some cleanup in Ashton Fields in Calamba (and added landuse and a road stub for future reference); Ponte Verde near the STAR tollway interchange in Santo Tomas (where there used to be some edits from maning); most of downtown Tiaong and the nearby market area (which can be "recovered" by making an actual GPS trace in the area, more if necessary); Dolores, Quezon (where I could go and make some GPS traces, if my schedule isn't that busy); and the Avida residences in the Tayabas/Lucena boundary area (someone had previously made an edit over the area). I also made some cleanup in the Bicol area - along the stretch of the Pan-Philippine Highway (specifically in Naga City, where it is hard to edit when using the online editor - epecially if one's computer is very slow and 8 years old and above), and some places in Albay. The problem with some of Anthony's edits is that they have too many nodes in a certain way, which is probably bad for routing. The problem with some of Deck's edits is that some of the edits he made were probably done previously by other contributors (which is the other problem caused by some of Anthony's edits). If we are to activiate the revert script on those edits, madadamay ang ibang mga edits (other edits will be affected by it). For me, It would be best to retrace, remove or transfer tags, then delete the questionable nodes and ways, if there were some previous edits placed in that area, so that the older (and probably less tainted) edits will be there, although under a new node/way identification number. BTW, we're lucky that we don't have to deal with people like RR8. Instead, all we need now is some understanding and consensus. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] please revert this user's edit (Re: Fwd: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal(assistance required in various countries))
Ahh a clean-up party? I get it now. Sounds good to me. On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Michael Cole wrote: > On Friday 18 September 2009 11:34:39 am maning sambale wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Michael Cole wrote: >> > Maybe on the Metro-manila day we are having those with out cars could >> > setup shop somewhere and work on things like this for you guys, then when >> > you get back its just a matter of uploading the new data.. >> >> Sorry. I don't get this message :) Please expound. >> > I dont have a car so the day your having to go out and get more traces, i can > sit down in a starbucks or somewhere and remove the unwanted edits that the > people need help on, At least then people like me can go out on the day and > help but not actually be getting traces but instead be cleaning up the map > together. > > Regards.. > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] please revert this user's edit (Re: Fwd: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal(assistance required in various countries))
On Friday 18 September 2009 11:34:39 am maning sambale wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Michael Cole wrote: > > Maybe on the Metro-manila day we are having those with out cars could > > setup shop somewhere and work on things like this for you guys, then when > > you get back its just a matter of uploading the new data.. > > Sorry. I don't get this message :) Please expound. > I dont have a car so the day your having to go out and get more traces, i can sit down in a starbucks or somewhere and remove the unwanted edits that the people need help on, At least then people like me can go out on the day and help but not actually be getting traces but instead be cleaning up the map together. Regards.. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] please revert this user's edit (Re: Fwd: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal(assistance required in various countries))
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Michael Cole wrote: > Maybe on the Metro-manila day we are having those with out cars could setup > shop somewhere and work on things like this for you guys, then when you get > back its just a matter of uploading the new data.. Sorry. I don't get this message :) Please expound. -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] please revert this user's edit (Re: Fwd: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal(assistance required in various countries))
Maybe on the Metro-manila day we are having those with out cars could setup shop somewhere and work on things like this for you guys, then when you get back its just a matter of uploading the new data.. It gives me something to do within the OSM as i would like to contribute but i have not been so far 100% successful, done some but not much.. Regards.. Michael Also i would like to get some good photos of the lot of you to put up on the web so as we all can acknowledge you guys, that have done a fantastic job so far.. And yes i still have a GPS unit which i will get to maning ASAP so it can be used more effectively.. On Friday 18 September 2009 11:17:46 am maning sambale wrote: > > The problem is that it's hard to determine which are the edits worth > > keeping and which are not. I would assume that the edits that appear > > where there is Yahoo! imagery is valid and those outside are not. > > Correct. That's I why I am hesitant to do massive revertion (using > the revert.pl tool). It is possible we break other people's edits > when we do automatic revertion. I suggest we use humans to do the > reverts. > > He did admitted it came from roadguide.ph so there is no question that > his edits are not allowed in OSM. Even if there is yahoo! imagery, I > believe we can re-trace them using purely yahoo! imagery. > > > Also, we still have those edits from user hellodeck that appear to be > > traced from Google Maps still lingering in the database. > > I have no concrete proof (user admission) this came from google > imagery (although I highly suspect it is). If proven, I suggest we > remove this one as well. > > > Regards, > > Eugene > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale > > > > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I mentioned this issue already to the talk-ph > >> > >> >> For instance this: > >> >> > >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=8.50999&lon=125.9716&zoom=15&layers > >> >>=B000FTTT > >> > > >> > I've already asked him to remove edits coming from roadguide.ph data. > >> > But he does have some personal trace in Mindanao: > >> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anthony%20Balico/traces > >> > >> Basically, Anthony Balico has been adding data coming from > >> roadguide.ph. I flagged his attention over this and he has stopped > >> doing it and started reverting his edits (since August 17, 2009). > >> > >> see the log of his edits here: > >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anthony%20Balico/edits > >> > >> The problem is, it's over a month now and this user haven't removed > >> everything. I am concerned because the longer the data stays in the > >> database the more difficult it is to remove. May I request everyone > >> to help anthony remove the data he added since april 15 and earlier. > >> He added more data after april 15, I am assuming this data didn't come > >> from roadguide already because he has traces uploaded. > >> > >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anthony%20Balico/traces > >> > >> Normally I encourage newbies to correct their own mistakes (I send > >> them messages provately) and don't pass the burden to others. > >> However, anthony's contributions is so extensive and I believe this > >> requires special attention to the rest of group. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> cheers, > >> maning > >> -- > >> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > >> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > >> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > >> -- > >> > >> ___ > >> talk-ph mailing list > >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > -- > > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] please revert this user's edit (Re: Fwd: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal(assistance required in various countries))
> The problem is that it's hard to determine which are the edits worth keeping > and which are not. I would assume that the edits that appear where there is > Yahoo! imagery is valid and those outside are not. Correct. That's I why I am hesitant to do massive revertion (using the revert.pl tool). It is possible we break other people's edits when we do automatic revertion. I suggest we use humans to do the reverts. He did admitted it came from roadguide.ph so there is no question that his edits are not allowed in OSM. Even if there is yahoo! imagery, I believe we can re-trace them using purely yahoo! imagery. > Also, we still have those edits from user hellodeck that appear to be traced > from Google Maps still lingering in the database. I have no concrete proof (user admission) this came from google imagery (although I highly suspect it is). If proven, I suggest we remove this one as well. > Regards, > Eugene > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I mentioned this issue already to the talk-ph >> >> >> For instance this: >> >> >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=8.50999&lon=125.9716&zoom=15&layers=B000FTTT >> > I've already asked him to remove edits coming from roadguide.ph data. >> > But he does have some personal trace in Mindanao: >> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anthony%20Balico/traces >> >> Basically, Anthony Balico has been adding data coming from >> roadguide.ph. I flagged his attention over this and he has stopped >> doing it and started reverting his edits (since August 17, 2009). >> >> see the log of his edits here: >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anthony%20Balico/edits >> >> The problem is, it's over a month now and this user haven't removed >> everything. I am concerned because the longer the data stays in the >> database the more difficult it is to remove. May I request everyone >> to help anthony remove the data he added since april 15 and earlier. >> He added more data after april 15, I am assuming this data didn't come >> from roadguide already because he has traces uploaded. >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anthony%20Balico/traces >> >> Normally I encourage newbies to correct their own mistakes (I send >> them messages provately) and don't pass the burden to others. >> However, anthony's contributions is so extensive and I believe this >> requires special attention to the rest of group. >> >> >> >> -- >> cheers, >> maning >> -- >> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ >> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >> -- >> >> ___ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > -- > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] please revert this user's edit (Re: Fwd: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal(assistance required in various countries))
Hi maning, The problem is that it's hard to determine which are the edits worth keeping and which are not. I would assume that the edits that appear where there is Yahoo! imagery is valid and those outside are not. Also, we still have those edits from user hellodeck that appear to be traced from Google Maps still lingering in the database. Regards, Eugene On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale wrote: > Hi, > > I mentioned this issue already to the talk-ph > > >> For instance this: > >> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=8.50999&lon=125.9716&zoom=15&layers=B000FTTT > > I've already asked him to remove edits coming from roadguide.ph data. > > But he does have some personal trace in Mindanao: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anthony%20Balico/traces > > Basically, Anthony Balico has been adding data coming from > roadguide.ph. I flagged his attention over this and he has stopped > doing it and started reverting his edits (since August 17, 2009). > > see the log of his edits here: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anthony%20Balico/edits > > The problem is, it's over a month now and this user haven't removed > everything. I am concerned because the longer the data stays in the > database the more difficult it is to remove. May I request everyone > to help anthony remove the data he added since april 15 and earlier. > He added more data after april 15, I am assuming this data didn't come > from roadguide already because he has traces uploaded. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anthony%20Balico/traces > > Normally I encourage newbies to correct their own mistakes (I send > them messages provately) and don't pass the burden to others. > However, anthony's contributions is so extensive and I believe this > requires special attention to the rest of group. > > > > -- > cheers, > maning > -- > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > -- > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] please revert this user's edit (Re: Fwd: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal(assistance required in various countries))
Hi, I mentioned this issue already to the talk-ph >> For instance this: >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=8.50999&lon=125.9716&zoom=15&layers=B000FTTT > I've already asked him to remove edits coming from roadguide.ph data. > But he does have some personal trace in Mindanao: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anthony%20Balico/traces Basically, Anthony Balico has been adding data coming from roadguide.ph. I flagged his attention over this and he has stopped doing it and started reverting his edits (since August 17, 2009). see the log of his edits here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anthony%20Balico/edits The problem is, it's over a month now and this user haven't removed everything. I am concerned because the longer the data stays in the database the more difficult it is to remove. May I request everyone to help anthony remove the data he added since april 15 and earlier. He added more data after april 15, I am assuming this data didn't come from roadguide already because he has traces uploaded. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anthony%20Balico/traces Normally I encourage newbies to correct their own mistakes (I send them messages provately) and don't pass the burden to others. However, anthony's contributions is so extensive and I believe this requires special attention to the rest of group. -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
