Thanks for inviting the attention of the talk-ph mailing list to my comment[0] on this subject, Timmy.
Speaking of which, and with regard to the recommendation on how to use "designation", we may want to consider the use of "admin_type:PH" (along with admin_level) namespace instead, similar to how the OSM-FR community is doing with their admin_type:FR [1]. For consistency, it may seem that this is a more proper tag to organize this information under. With regard to Quiabaton, I personally tend to think that it's a sitio rather than a purok. From the imagery, the settlement doesn't appear big enough to be organized into zoned clusters but local information should help clarify this. Regardless, and as documented in the convention pages, it's correct to tag the name of the place as simply "Quiabaton", and think that the use of loc_name "Sitio Quibaton" is unnecessary. (Right now, loc_name isn't even considered by nominatim or photon in searches.) [0]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Philippines/Mapping_conventions#admin_level.3D12_for_Puroks_.3F [1]: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/admin_type%3AFR#values - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - » email: erwin@ <er...@ngnuity.net>*n**gnu**it**y**.xyz* <http://ngnuity.xyz/> » mobile: https://t.me/GOwin » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93 D56B On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 6:45 PM Timeo Gut <timeo....@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Erwin has raised some interesting points on the mapping conventions talk > page. I'm moving this here hoping that more people can read and comment. > > > I've always thought that, in our hierarchy of local places, puroks are >> never found in sitios. While working on OSMaPaaralan, I encountered school >> 109360, and according to the DepEd school database >> <https://ebeis.deped.gov.ph/beis/reports_info/masterlist>, their address >> is listed as "Purok Casunugan, Sitio San Ysiro" within Barangay San Jose of >> Antipolo City. >> >> According to our current convention page, Purok and Sitio nodes are >> lumped together under admin_level=11, but in this case, and if used that >> way, this hierarchical order will be incorrect. I found several other >> Puroks (Canumay, Libis) under Sitio San Ysiro. >> >> Perhaps it would be better to dis-aggregate a Purok as admin_level=12 >> (place=* + designation=purok + admin_level=12), and keep admin_level=11 for >> Sitios exclusively? Strictly speaking, these are not administrative >> entities, but Purok and Sitio leaders are usually designated by the >> Barangay chairperson, so there's some sort of "administrative" relationship >> to these settlements. >> > > > I've been bothered by this for quite some time too. The root of the > confusion seems to be that most Sitios are actually Puroks while in other > cases the term is used in names referring to larger geographical areas that > have experienced further sudivision due to population growth. > > The concept of Sitios is much older than the Purok system. With the > introduction of the latter many Sitios where simply declared Puroks (often > while also being assigned a number). In these cases the two terms are > basically interchangeable. It is very common that colloquially (and also on > signs and for addressing) everyone is still using Sitio while in official > documents the same places are listed as Puroks (e.g. Sitio Quiabaton / > Purok 6 Quiabaton <https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6396309956>). With > the old place:PH tag it was unclear which value to use in this kind of > situation, but considering the definition of the designation tag they > should clearly be tagged as =purok. > > For Sitios that are of purely historical or geographical nature I think we > should consider dropping admin_level and designation altogether. These > Sitios really do not fit the definition of either of these tags. The > loc_name tag should be sufficient to record the prefix. > > Best regards, > Timmy > >> _______________________________________________ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >
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