Re: [Talk-pt] Mapping in Portugal - Some smal questions
Hi, let me had that the last three digits in the Postal code usually have no correlation with administrative areas unfortunately! The areas are defined regarding the trip of the mail man, so the houses on one street can some be in a postal code and some in the other. The ideia is to have some "optimization" of the trips since the mail is separated by the codes physycally. Is someone has more details please update :-) Victor On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Mauro Santos wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'd say that the postal code should include the location, the > wikipedia page says: > "The Portuguese postal code (código postal) is formed by four digits, > a hyphen, then three digits, followed by a postal location of up to 25 > characters in capitals." > > If one searches for a postal code in the Portuguese post office page, > which is also linked in the wikipedia page, one gets exactly the > scheme mentioned (-NNN LOCATION). > > The wikipedia page also says: > "Note that, although the regions' names are connected the (extinct) > 1936 provinces of Portugal, their limits (with the exception of > Algarve) are not exactly the same." > > I don't know if this still holds true, also this year there was a > reorganization of parishes (1), I don't know how that changes the > relationship between administrative areas to postal codes but I > suppose that should be taken into account/looked into. > > (1) Some parishes were merged and given a new name. That I know of > there are no more changes planned in the short term, but I don't know > if we've seen the end of it as the change was somewhat controversial. > > > On 31-08-2013 14:36, f.dos.san...@free.fr wrote: > > > > 3. The Postal Code in Portugal are : > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_codes_in_Portugal > > > > The first 4 digit was the old postal code, and the 3 digits > > following the dash is an even more precise area in this postal > > code. I don't know all the details and I didn't spend time > > searching, but I presume that the postal code follow the > > administrative area in some way, so it seems possible to follow the > > Karlsruhe schema and only code addr:street and addr:housenumber and > > deduce the city and postal code from other spatial entity. But we > > are far from it, we didn't have all the administrative area in OSM, > > it's a matter I'm currently working on (slowly :-). > > > > By the way, for the Karlsruhe schema, I've not seen a prefered way > > in the community on how to enter address : - using addr:street - > > using associatedStreet relation > > > > Perhaps you have more experience in entering address so we can > > choose a prefered method for Portugal. As a matter of taste, I > > prefer not using relation for address and using only addr:street, > > but that's my personal view ;-) > > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema > > > > > > > > One final question for Nuno José or someone with more pratical > > knowledge than me, in the example given I'm missing something, in > > Karlsruhe schema notation we have : > > > > addr:housenumber = 18 addr:street = Rua Pé de Mouro addr:postcode = > > 2714-510 addr:city = Linhó > > > > So the Sintra information will be lost ? > > > > Francisco > > - -- > Mauro Santos > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSIfgMAAoJEKlXy3xHw0Io2mgQAIESThelJaxAQj8szpIXeKct > MmXAXwRX/mwcgEfXHeK1DX/FAduVRjIgpzkW7AWmxnMIbgdZH9eejPIt6C8CsPJ7 > W3osDRW/Lta4tQGp8LVpbdvlCmtb7jsi4xLoccZmHZR/gZfCYluFFPD1Gpla0J1a > 9EvrK0R6q4lZN19lw/ARRZ+6TIfcwtUcF3ZCNK/jw3rkipmvt2tEn9XIMe8198Wg > fceusdHhMfBEiHBMcGVpT626J5z5Ob4DJSb5OQqRA/Cmfs56RmYcy4aNbKyV/GKa > dv87vXBI8lDGRRe43EC28MXRQtZ8on29Qaxz5/bvQ3p3vl26WTeHXSXu11eGhM1H > yaDESrN0+oKPQOMUBet+75Qz8OqZrnQ8414cYlAGHNtPYY+mch/tgUJL1jEpE+5R > whIkn00ejHye4+lw3fJC/DH2rgzd+pypVzPgduLQCq3AnZsFbqWUkyy0Zx+G60f0 > bApzbL7U0dwG34eHpBZhp/N1PSP+Odq2D05CsCJ2UfKXFjdSRw2BXZpM19SHAM22 > rsiPiruGJxw3WprfdQNVxD1ggNfegreFISSv+XmAHxc8s7cBJPuFxOL9RcZeERGb > JTZyqdusO0Jia+6O5MPDOpNI4GLKpbUnvWc7yWVNQm9P4NaYKmEqB2KuIpaCcyjC > zvbHSZItgONKeqv6YNo+ > =ud31 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Talk-pt mailing list > Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt > ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt
Re: [Talk-pt] Visiting Portugal
Hi Mathias, welcome to Portugal! I already befriended you in OSM and noticed your first edit in Lisboa :-) I have tried to do some 3d in osm, using the most compatible tags of height or number of floors. Mostly in Tomar. But i focused in the more urgent need to get the streets on the map, since Portugal had a late start in OSM mapping. Now that we have more people mapping maybe is time to get back to the 3d! My work in the faculty as focused on 3d survey of buildings and urban areas with laser scanning and 3d photogrammetry. We have a helium balloon, and have used remote controled model airplanes and copters. Our research group is in http://archc3d.fa.utl.pt/archc3d.html (see the link to the "gallery" that has some samples of the work). We also have a 3d fabrication lab in the school with cnc router, laser cutter and 3d printer, and produce nice stuff with it :-) I will be glad to show more when you visit! On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthias Meisser wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Am 31.08.2013 15:17, schrieb Alexandre Neto: > >>> As architecture is your topic, you might be interested in 3D > >>> building modeling? I had the pleasure to assist on the > >>> development of the "Simple 3D buildings"-schema and did a > >>> bigger micromapping survey of a district in Rostock: > > > > I think you will like to see Victor's work as well. :-P > > So Victor did already some 3D modelling with OSM? > Now I'm really curious :) I tried to find some models with f4 maps, > but had no success. Sadly we have no 3D tag related overlay for > osmatrix :/ > > Matthias > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSIlz+AAoJEAF+labaLeyD664IAJZbFhBjmxyfnyN+1wzY1MiT > 9BBCt9wdP7hKWn5XGNAWX2Ltd8GIpvL4v2cuftJq+HJuftQwyEUHfJ+RaZoXWVET > M7T2jYw7RVT3oA2UU3REDBJiInscDcltlTLjEjKoK3C4GDxPri1ThRtVwLwTDQ73 > iTC8TNr2lFBIw6on2CUCoauAp4bsDKGaK+TadTq40P+VtzNPzda0O9q0TOmuWgvk > EBtAUyEwcFX9qMnALZGhxc4dU+jS0w28fyjmu0hi8AfxVvRcwLum7LvZzofTWk61 > ipK1NIPyloA46GCNPx4F7v2LZ6+3t5EvGAEEN9q2XF3Mdc+tp2k5xmB+appXua4= > =YAca > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Talk-pt mailing list > Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt > ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt
Re: [Talk-pt] Mapping in Portugal - Some smal questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bom dia *, thanks for all the details, I will need some time to check it out. Am 31.08.2013 14:36, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: > 3. The Postal Code in Portugal are : > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_codes_in_Portugal > > The first 4 digit was the old postal code, and the 3 digits > following the dash is an even more precise area in this postal > code. I don't know all the details and I didn't spend time > searching, but I presume that the postal code follow the > administrative area in some way, so it seems possible to follow the > Karlsruhe schema and only code addr:street and addr:housenumber and > deduce the city and postal code from other spatial entity. But we > are far from it, we didn't have all the administrative area in OSM, > it's a matter I'm currently working on (slowly :-). > > By the way, for the Karlsruhe schema, I've not seen a prefered way > in the community on how to enter address : - using addr:street - > using associatedStreet relation > > Perhaps you have more experience in entering address so we can > choose a prefered method for Portugal. As a matter of taste, I > prefer not using relation for address and using only addr:street, > but that's my personal view ;-) Well at least what I can tell, most people (at least in my part of Germany) prefer a plain tag only approach, without any relations. Maybe the reason is because relations are somewhat "invisibile" the regular mappers, but addr:*=* tags are not. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema > > > > One final question for Nuno José or someone with more pratical > knowledge than me, in the example given I'm missing something, in > Karlsruhe schema notation we have : > > addr:housenumber = 18 addr:street = Rua Pé de Mouro addr:postcode = > 2714-510 addr:city = Linhó > > So the Sintra information will be lost ? What does sintra mean here, is it essential? Usually, that would be the way, how I would like to add it :/ Com carinho, Matthias > > - Mail original - From: "Nuno José Almeida" > To: "Lista de discussã,o para > Portugal" Date: 31/08/2013 14:04:35 > Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Mapping in Portugal - Some smal questions > > > Hi Matthias Meisser > > That address should be: > > Rua Pé de Mouro, 18 Linhó 2714-510 Sintra > > Rua Pé de Mouro - Street Name 18 - Number Linhó - city/town/vilage > 2714-510 Sintra - Postal CODE > > Best Regards > > > > > > > 2013/8/31 Matthias Meisser < dig...@arcor.de > > > > Hi community, > > I finally started mapping small things around here and of course > there appear some questions to me: > > 1. Bing alignment The Bing imagery looks very good for my part of > Lisbon. But as the area is very hilly, I'm not sure if it's well > aligned? In Germany it's mostly ok, as we don't have that strong > height differences, but I don't expect that BING had been > postprocessed here, to fix that things? > > 2. Road classification I noticed that most smaller roads that I > would classify as highway=service are mapped as resedential and > with name instead. So I guess the requirements for service tag is > even higher in Portugal? > > 3. Address format When I try to add the address from a LIDL > superstore, there is at the bill: LIDL&Cia - LISBOA -AV. C:E:G > Lojas Alimentares AV Cor Eduardo Galhardo, Lt A - Lisboar Rua Pé de > Mouro, 18 Linhó - 2714-510 Sintra > > So I just add it like addr:street=Rua Pé addr:housenumber=18 but is > there a postal code or something else? > > As you see, language seems to be my biggest problem, as I had to > learn the usual terms for roads and places and the special > characters of course. > > kind regards, Matthias > > > ___ Talk-pt mailing > list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSIvGnAAoJEAF+labaLeyDUHsH/jJ9rM1h04+oxrYcdpeWP9O4 ERe/uqgZNmO0b9XhqF8IbnjdoeFnk394AXAlYHd0L0NwF9529Iyemr3gAjxNF1Qf 9Zp4/YMY65q0dAUEcRYM8PoKd5NOGH/uVTymn/HTTV1RZulGo1/a/2dmabhM93+I 4MUu+u/vpe/WwbUAXNAgy1IAntxM7iDE2ftbr+Zv+G6kuqEhvtrAUXQwBLB+qvmk A8aNre7eHV/y03eIm2rLiBd3hdH96OPJcnHdrC/lYAg0KP/JQeA3qVKexUY28X+0 8Uc4VdCUTBNJprPceel4wxNASo7fIdeI+3pH8IxLjchfOfp2oCRV36gagIAoyI4= =3Vox -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt
