[Talk-pt] Tchau OSM-PT :)
Hi there, I left Portugal one months ago and I really enjoyed my stay. Country and people are muito simpático :) Now I had the time to add the latest collected data to Lisboa. It was housenumbers for Graca: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/105188#map=17/38.72440/-9.11840 But I see that numbering is here different than what I know so please somebody needs to check it again and add the approriate addr:street=* tag I also uploaded the translated flyer to the SVN: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/portuguese_flyer_2013_01/ So please make use of this work and adapt and finally print it. Would me make very happy to see somebody of you at the wiki.osm.org mainpage picture of the week holding a flyer in front of an typical portuguese cafe :) greetings from Rostock (north east Germany), Matthias (user:!i!) ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt
Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? (needs YOUR review!)(now really)
as something like apontamentos). There's another big mistake in the text : Em www.openstreetmap.pt encontrarás a entrada para a comunidade Portuguesa e ligações para fóruns e listas de correio electrónico. The openstreetmap.pt domain have been reserved, there is a wordpress running but it seems nobody touch it recently, actually is not very useful. If we want to keep it in the leaflet, it's best to do something on the website (to the people who has the key of the website, feel free to ask for help on this list ;-). And we have no forum, just the mailing list (and an IRC channel which nobody have heard of it :-). Francisco - Mail original - De: Mauro Santos registo.maill...@gmail.com À: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Samedi 26 Octobre 2013 00:28:25 Objet: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? (needs YOUR review!) On 25-10-2013 22:57, Matthias Meisser wrote: Am 25.10.2013 19:35, schrieb Mauro Santos: The translation looks good. I've spotted a couple typos s/eligações/e ligações/ and s/azona/a zona/. Obrigado! The other thing I've noticed, and I don't know very well how to explain it in english, is that the verbs have been conjugated in a way that it seems the writer knows the reader personally (and are friends). What I mean is, Podes encontrar o web... is similar to Tu podes encontrar o web..., using Tu is not polite if you don't know the other person. Personally I prefer to see Pode encontrar o web I suppose that teenagers don't care about how it's written but someone the age of their parents (or older) might not like it, I'd say that the flyer should try not to give a bad first impression. I guess this was mixed as english just knows 'you' (you boy vs. you sir), so I think Miguel just choose what sounds reasonable to him. A more serious tone would b appreciated IMHO and is used in DE edition, too. Finally, where it says open-source software, does it mean open source or free software[1]? [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html#open-source Wow, I guess this is getting political ;) I made just the translation an DE also used open source that is IMHO more a buzzword to non-geeks than free software. As the topic of the flyer is free mapping, we IMHO should avoid to get to close into details, but maybe you prefer using a different term for FLOSS? My idea was not to make it a political discussion but I agree that it might have come across looking like that. My idea was to be accurate/correct because ... we should/can be :p I do have to agree that for the general audience open source will be easier to recognize and identify with than free software. Matthias On 25-10-2013 18:36, Matthias Meisser wrote: Hi, thanks to my colleague Miguel here at ISCTE, we have a first translation in Portuguese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:!i!/PT_flyer So please review and improve it if you like. We also need a new paragraph on the OSGeo PT, ideally with the same length. Bom fim-de-semana, Matthias Am 23.10.2013 18:42, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: Funny, today there's a blog speaking of promotional leaflets : http://blog.gravitystorm.co.uk/ I see that the idea of a portuguese flyer is in good shape but didn't know how I can help you, I can't speak german ;-) I also think the best pictures are for Lisboa in the low zoom and Porto with the high zoom. Francisco. - Mail original - From: Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: 23/10/2013 14:56:47 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? Am 21.10.2013 20:45, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: I've not replied because I don't know ;-) Não tem problema ;) All the mapping party I've heard have been organized by the OSGeo Local Chapter, I don't think they have an OSM flyer (I hope someone could prove me wrong :-) but it's a very good idea to have one. They used to have a wiki and a dedicated page for mapping events (but it's down) : http://wiki.osgeopt.pt/index.php/Vamos_mapear_Portugal Hopefully some OSGeo members read this list and you'll get an answer, if not we can cross-post to the OSGeo mailing list for a larger audience : http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/portugal/ Their list is not OSM related but they are a bigger community so they will have better idea for sponsors and publishing partners. I contacted the OSGeoPT and the president Jorge agreed, that the *chapter will spend the money* and deal with the printing if we finished the localisation. I also contacted Frederik (Geofabrik chef), if he is ok with replacing their promotion at the flyer with an OSGeo 'advertising'. He is very ok with that and offered us to create a *high res map rendering* for the flyer. So now the question is, *which areas* we like to see at the flyer? There is one place at one folding segment and second one what covers 2xsegments. At the german flyer
Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? (needs YOUR review!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, thanks to my colleague Miguel here at ISCTE, we have a first translation in Portuguese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:!i!/PT_flyer So please review and improve it if you like. We also need a new paragraph on the OSGeo PT, ideally with the same length. Bom fim-de-semana, Matthias Am 23.10.2013 18:42, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: Funny, today there's a blog speaking of promotional leaflets : http://blog.gravitystorm.co.uk/ I see that the idea of a portuguese flyer is in good shape but didn't know how I can help you, I can't speak german ;-) I also think the best pictures are for Lisboa in the low zoom and Porto with the high zoom. Francisco. - Mail original - From: Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: 23/10/2013 14:56:47 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? Am 21.10.2013 20:45, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: I've not replied because I don't know ;-) Não tem problema ;) All the mapping party I've heard have been organized by the OSGeo Local Chapter, I don't think they have an OSM flyer (I hope someone could prove me wrong :-) but it's a very good idea to have one. They used to have a wiki and a dedicated page for mapping events (but it's down) : http://wiki.osgeopt.pt/index.php/Vamos_mapear_Portugal Hopefully some OSGeo members read this list and you'll get an answer, if not we can cross-post to the OSGeo mailing list for a larger audience : http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/portugal/ Their list is not OSM related but they are a bigger community so they will have better idea for sponsors and publishing partners. I contacted the OSGeoPT and the president Jorge agreed, that the *chapter will spend the money* and deal with the printing if we finished the localisation. I also contacted Frederik (Geofabrik chef), if he is ok with replacing their promotion at the flyer with an OSGeo 'advertising'. He is very ok with that and offered us to create a *high res map rendering* for the flyer. So now the question is, *which areas* we like to see at the flyer? There is one place at one folding segment and second one what covers 2xsegments. At the german flyer they use the city Münster with low zoom and Berlin for the bigger area. Hmm so use Lisboa and Porto? Matthias - Mail original - From: Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: 21/10/2013 20:38:19 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? As nobody replyed, I like to ask more specific: Woul it be ok to you, if *I ask some locals* to create portueuse translation of the official flyer? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2010_thumb.png (I think I will use the more recent version, but sadly its just in DE http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2011_german.jpg) For *printing* a few thousands that can be spread to local mappers, will there be a organization that likes to sponsor and get's a attribution on the flyer? I would replace the german book with the english edition, ok? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Books#OpenStreetMap:_Using_and_Enhancing_the_Free_Map_of_the_World Should I ask OSMF or do you know any local sponsor or at least a Portuguese online service to order the prints? I will try to create another A5 flyer dedicated to the use of the notes function, that allows locals to easily contribute more details. IMHO this makes sense, as if they see some empty buildings, they might remember about local POIs? Matthias Am 16.09.2013 18:14, schrieb Matthias Meisser: Hi everybody, as I nearly finished tracing Bing aerials the past weeks, I like to start with on-the-ground survey which will be photo and penpaper mapping: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/38.7222/-9.1230layers=N As I'm not looking like a usual Portuguese guy and I can't make me understandable in the language, I would like to have something like a flyer, so people can understand what I'm doing. In Germany there is one [1] and it helped me already, because Germans care a lot about their privacy (and property ;)). So can anybody tell me, if the portuguese community has similar documents to show their mission to the residents? 1 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Flyers_and_posters Greetings from Lisboa, Matthias ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org https
Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? (needs YOUR review!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 25.10.2013 19:35, schrieb Mauro Santos: The translation looks good. I've spotted a couple typos s/eligações/e ligações/ and s/azona/a zona/. Obrigado! The other thing I've noticed, and I don't know very well how to explain it in english, is that the verbs have been conjugated in a way that it seems the writer knows the reader personally (and are friends). What I mean is, Podes encontrar o web... is similar to Tu podes encontrar o web..., using Tu is not polite if you don't know the other person. Personally I prefer to see Pode encontrar o web I suppose that teenagers don't care about how it's written but someone the age of their parents (or older) might not like it, I'd say that the flyer should try not to give a bad first impression. I guess this was mixed as english just knows 'you' (you boy vs. you sir), so I think Miguel just choose what sounds reasonable to him. A more serious tone would b appreciated IMHO and is used in DE edition, too. Finally, where it says open-source software, does it mean open source or free software[1]? [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html#open-source Wow, I guess this is getting political ;) I made just the translation an DE also used open source that is IMHO more a buzzword to non-geeks than free software. As the topic of the flyer is free mapping, we IMHO should avoid to get to close into details, but maybe you prefer using a different term for FLOSS? Matthias On 25-10-2013 18:36, Matthias Meisser wrote: Hi, thanks to my colleague Miguel here at ISCTE, we have a first translation in Portuguese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:!i!/PT_flyer So please review and improve it if you like. We also need a new paragraph on the OSGeo PT, ideally with the same length. Bom fim-de-semana, Matthias Am 23.10.2013 18:42, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: Funny, today there's a blog speaking of promotional leaflets : http://blog.gravitystorm.co.uk/ I see that the idea of a portuguese flyer is in good shape but didn't know how I can help you, I can't speak german ;-) I also think the best pictures are for Lisboa in the low zoom and Porto with the high zoom. Francisco. - Mail original - From: Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: 23/10/2013 14:56:47 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? Am 21.10.2013 20:45, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: I've not replied because I don't know ;-) Não tem problema ;) All the mapping party I've heard have been organized by the OSGeo Local Chapter, I don't think they have an OSM flyer (I hope someone could prove me wrong :-) but it's a very good idea to have one. They used to have a wiki and a dedicated page for mapping events (but it's down) : http://wiki.osgeopt.pt/index.php/Vamos_mapear_Portugal Hopefully some OSGeo members read this list and you'll get an answer, if not we can cross-post to the OSGeo mailing list for a larger audience : http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/portugal/ Their list is not OSM related but they are a bigger community so they will have better idea for sponsors and publishing partners. I contacted the OSGeoPT and the president Jorge agreed, that the *chapter will spend the money* and deal with the printing if we finished the localisation. I also contacted Frederik (Geofabrik chef), if he is ok with replacing their promotion at the flyer with an OSGeo 'advertising'. He is very ok with that and offered us to create a *high res map rendering* for the flyer. So now the question is, *which areas* we like to see at the flyer? There is one place at one folding segment and second one what covers 2xsegments. At the german flyer they use the city Münster with low zoom and Berlin for the bigger area. Hmm so use Lisboa and Porto? Matthias - Mail original - From: Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: 21/10/2013 20:38:19 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? As nobody replyed, I like to ask more specific: Woul it be ok to you, if *I ask some locals* to create portueuse translation of the official flyer? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2010_thumb.png (I think I will use the more recent version, but sadly its just in DE http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2011_german.jpg) For *printing* a few thousands that can be spread to local mappers, will there be a organization that likes to sponsor and get's a attribution on the flyer? I would replace the german book with the english edition, ok? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Books#OpenStreetMap:_Using_and_Enhancing_the_Free_Map_of_the_World Should I ask OSMF or do you know any local sponsor or at least a Portuguese online service to order the prints? I will try to create another A5 flyer dedicated to the use of the notes function, that allows locals
Re: [Talk-pt] Visiting Portugal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 31.08.2013 15:17, schrieb Alexandre Neto: As architecture is your topic, you might be interested in 3D building modeling? I had the pleasure to assist on the development of the Simple 3D buildings-schema and did a bigger micromapping survey of a district in Rostock: I think you will like to see Victor's work as well. :-P So Victor did already some 3D modelling with OSM? Now I'm really curious :) I tried to find some models with f4 maps, but had no success. Sadly we have no 3D tag related overlay for osmatrix :/ Matthias -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSIlz+AAoJEAF+labaLeyD664IAJZbFhBjmxyfnyN+1wzY1MiT 9BBCt9wdP7hKWn5XGNAWX2Ltd8GIpvL4v2cuftJq+HJuftQwyEUHfJ+RaZoXWVET M7T2jYw7RVT3oA2UU3REDBJiInscDcltlTLjEjKoK3C4GDxPri1ThRtVwLwTDQ73 iTC8TNr2lFBIw6on2CUCoauAp4bsDKGaK+TadTq40P+VtzNPzda0O9q0TOmuWgvk EBtAUyEwcFX9qMnALZGhxc4dU+jS0w28fyjmu0hi8AfxVvRcwLum7LvZzofTWk61 ipK1NIPyloA46GCNPx4F7v2LZ6+3t5EvGAEEN9q2XF3Mdc+tp2k5xmB+appXua4= =YAca -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt
Re: [Talk-pt] Visiting Portugal
Am 29.07.2013 11:41, schrieb Alexandre Neto: Hello Matthias, As far as I know, in Portugal we really have a diferent relation with OSM. For instance, I don't think we have any OSM local groups. Most of our contribuitions are made individualy or by ocasional map parties. Oh thats interesting to know. Here in Germany, the number of local meetings (Stammtische) is also decreasing. Maybe this is caused by the improved coverage or by different reasons. I agree that we could promote somekind of exchange, maybe to learn how you guys do it in germany. Besides that, I think that you can post your questions related to tagging in here. Hmm, I think I will come back to that later, when I'm in Portugal for real and see what the existing features represent. I hope that I can at least improve my very close neighbourhood or the campus. Maybe I can do some micromapping there :) Matthias On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de mailto:dig...@arcor.de wrote: Olá! (I'm sorry I just can't speak Portuguese language. I hope a english post is also ok) My name is Matthias, but in OSM I'm know as user:!i! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:!i http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:%21i! During September till December, I will visit Portugal to take part on a a internship at the university of Lisbon. So I like to help contributing during this period, and I like to ask, if there is a local meeting or usergroup somewhere, where I can post question? I think most things are different from how we map here in Germany, as road classification, names, special amenities etc. Maybe we can have some kind of exchange, so we get a new point of view, how other nations map and what might be different there in real life :) kind regards from the city of Rostock, Matthias ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt
