Re: [Talk-tr] Talk-tr Digest, Vol 75, Issue 2
arset="utf-8" > > Hi OSMers, > > I'm trying to understand the placename classifications in Istanbul and how > those relate to OSM tags, and hoping someone can help. In Istanbul there > are ilçe (districts) and mahalle (neighborhoods). But then there are also > semtler - what is the difference between mahalle and semtler? > > Also I'm wondering about how to tag places. From the OSM wiki it seems > that districts should be place=suburb and mahalle should be > place=neighborhood, but on the map the districts are usually place=town and > mahalle/semtleri are either place=suburb or place=neighborhood. Is there > any reason for tagging ilçe as place=town? > > Does anyone have a suggestion on how to formalize the tags? > > Cheers, > Jeff > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-tr/ > attachments/20170704/e542867b/attachment-0001.html> > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 12:40:49 +0300 > From: Roman Neumüller > To: talk-tr@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-tr] Istanbul neighborhood classifications > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1254; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > Hi Jeff, > > I've been mapping a lot in Turkey but can only tell for sure that > > * il = province (admin_level=4) > * ilçe = town = district = district center (admin_level=6) > * köy = village (admin_level=8) > > Concerning suburb/neighborhood (mahalle/semt) I'm still unsure and up to > now > didn't get ANY response from the Turkish community regarding classification > (see > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-tr/2014- > November/000362.html) > > The community is not very active in the mailinglist - they may be more > active in > a facebook group (I don't use fb) > >https://www.facebook.com/OpenStreetMapTurkey/ > > Semt seems as if only being used in big cities - wikipedia calls them > "quarters": > > * https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Türkiye'deki_semtler > * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Quarters_in_Turkey > > Even villages may have 1) suburbs which I give the neighborhood tag and 2) > "mezra"s > where I use hamlet. > > Yayla vary from location (no house at all) over hamlet (some houses) to > suburb/village > (if big like a village) > > Wikipedia says yayla = Plateau - in German I'd rather call them "Alm". > > Bucak is sort of deprecated > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucak_(administrative_unit)) > > Another thing is that most villages in metropolitan municipalities have > been converted > to suburbs (6360 Metropolıtan Law) after 2012 > > http://econpapers.repec.org/article/scn000raj/383.htm > > On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 10:42:29 +0300, Jeff Haack > wrote: > > > Hi OSMers, > > > > I'm trying to understand the placename classifications in Istanbul and > > how those relate to OSM tags, and hoping someone can help. In Istanbul > > there > > are ilçe (districts) and mahalle (neighborhoods). But then there are > > also semtler - what is the difference between mahalle and semtler? > > > > Also I'm wondering about how to tag places. From the OSM wiki it seems > > that districts should be place=suburb and mahalle should be > > place=neighborhood, but on the map the districts are usually place=town > > and mahalle/semtleri are either place=suburb or place=neighborhood. Is > > there > > any reason for tagging ilçe as place=town? > > > > Does anyone have a suggestion on how to formalize the tags? > > > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > > -- > katpatuka.org > > > > -- > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ___ > Talk-tr mailing list > Talk-tr@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-tr > > > -- > > End of Talk-tr Digest, Vol 75, Issue 2 > ** > ___ Talk-tr mailing list Talk-tr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-tr
Re: [Talk-tr] Istanbul neighborhood classifications
Thanks Roman and Ali (who wrote me directly): What I understand is that: - ilçe is a town, or also a district within a city - mahalle is a neighborhood in an ilçe - semtler is also a neighborhood, not official or administrative, but rather something that residents call the area, most likely from the past when they were used as administrative units (neighborhoods) I would propose for OSM tagging the following schema: - ilçe, when indicating an independent town, be tagged as place=town - ilçe, when indicating a district of a city (ie the 39 ilçe in Istanbul), be tagged as place=suburb - mahalle, which fall administratively under the districts, be tagged as place=neighbourhood - semtler, which are like neighborhoods but not administrative, be tagged as place=quarter Any disagreements/suggestions on this? I will post in the Facebook group as well to see what people think there. My biggest question is whether the ilçe of Istanbul should be tagged as place=suburb or place=town (as they are now) ~Jeff On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Roman Neumüller wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > I've been mapping a lot in Turkey but can only tell for sure that > > * il = province (admin_level=4) > * ilçe = town = district = district center (admin_level=6) > * köy = village (admin_level=8) > > Concerning suburb/neighborhood (mahalle/semt) I'm still unsure and up to > now > didn't get ANY response from the Turkish community regarding classification > (see https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-tr/2014-Novem > ber/000362.html) > > The community is not very active in the mailinglist - they may be more > active in > a facebook group (I don't use fb) > > https://www.facebook.com/OpenStreetMapTurkey/ > > Semt seems as if only being used in big cities - wikipedia calls them > "quarters": > > * https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Türkiye'deki_semtler > * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Quarters_in_Turkey > > Even villages may have 1) suburbs which I give the neighborhood tag and 2) > "mezra"s > where I use hamlet. > > Yayla vary from location (no house at all) over hamlet (some houses) to > suburb/village > (if big like a village) > > Wikipedia says yayla = Plateau - in German I'd rather call them "Alm". > > Bucak is sort of deprecated (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki > /Bucak_(administrative_unit)) > > Another thing is that most villages in metropolitan municipalities have > been converted > to suburbs (6360 Metropolıtan Law) after 2012 > > http://econpapers.repec.org/article/scn000raj/383.htm > > > On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 10:42:29 +0300, Jeff Haack > wrote: > > Hi OSMers, >> >> I'm trying to understand the placename classifications in Istanbul and >> how those relate to OSM tags, and hoping someone can help. In Istanbul >> there >> are ilçe (districts) and mahalle (neighborhoods). But then there are >> also semtler - what is the difference between mahalle and semtler? >> >> Also I'm wondering about how to tag places. From the OSM wiki it seems >> that districts should be place=suburb and mahalle should be >> place=neighborhood, but on the map the districts are usually place=town >> and mahalle/semtleri are either place=suburb or place=neighborhood. Is >> there >> any reason for tagging ilçe as place=town? >> >> Does anyone have a suggestion on how to formalize the tags? >> >> Cheers, >> Jeff >> > > > -- > katpatuka.org > > ___ > Talk-tr mailing list > Talk-tr@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-tr > -- Jeff Haack Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team jeff.ha...@hotosm.org +90 537 821 1338 ___ Talk-tr mailing list Talk-tr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-tr
Re: [Talk-tr] Istanbul neighborhood classifications
Hi Jeff, I've been mapping a lot in Turkey but can only tell for sure that * il = province (admin_level=4) * ilçe = town = district = district center (admin_level=6) * köy = village (admin_level=8) Concerning suburb/neighborhood (mahalle/semt) I'm still unsure and up to now didn't get ANY response from the Turkish community regarding classification (see https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-tr/2014-November/000362.html) The community is not very active in the mailinglist - they may be more active in a facebook group (I don't use fb) https://www.facebook.com/OpenStreetMapTurkey/ Semt seems as if only being used in big cities - wikipedia calls them "quarters": * https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Türkiye'deki_semtler * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Quarters_in_Turkey Even villages may have 1) suburbs which I give the neighborhood tag and 2) "mezra"s where I use hamlet. Yayla vary from location (no house at all) over hamlet (some houses) to suburb/village (if big like a village) Wikipedia says yayla = Plateau - in German I'd rather call them "Alm". Bucak is sort of deprecated (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucak_(administrative_unit)) Another thing is that most villages in metropolitan municipalities have been converted to suburbs (6360 Metropolıtan Law) after 2012 http://econpapers.repec.org/article/scn000raj/383.htm On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 10:42:29 +0300, Jeff Haack wrote: Hi OSMers, I'm trying to understand the placename classifications in Istanbul and how those relate to OSM tags, and hoping someone can help. In Istanbul there are ilçe (districts) and mahalle (neighborhoods). But then there are also semtler - what is the difference between mahalle and semtler? Also I'm wondering about how to tag places. From the OSM wiki it seems that districts should be place=suburb and mahalle should be place=neighborhood, but on the map the districts are usually place=town and mahalle/semtleri are either place=suburb or place=neighborhood. Is there any reason for tagging ilçe as place=town? Does anyone have a suggestion on how to formalize the tags? Cheers, Jeff -- katpatuka.org ___ Talk-tr mailing list Talk-tr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-tr
[Talk-tr] Istanbul neighborhood classifications
Hi OSMers, I'm trying to understand the placename classifications in Istanbul and how those relate to OSM tags, and hoping someone can help. In Istanbul there are ilçe (districts) and mahalle (neighborhoods). But then there are also semtler - what is the difference between mahalle and semtler? Also I'm wondering about how to tag places. From the OSM wiki it seems that districts should be place=suburb and mahalle should be place=neighborhood, but on the map the districts are usually place=town and mahalle/semtleri are either place=suburb or place=neighborhood. Is there any reason for tagging ilçe as place=town? Does anyone have a suggestion on how to formalize the tags? Cheers, Jeff ___ Talk-tr mailing list Talk-tr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-tr
