Re: [Talk-transit] JOSM Plugin

2009-08-25 Thread Chris Fleming

It's amazing that they seem to make the data so hard to get at, given 
that the objective is to get people to use public transport.

Are they really generating serious revenues from this data?

Cheers
Chris


On 24/08/09 21:45, Peter Miller wrote:
 On 24 Aug 2009, at 20:18, Péter Connell wrote:


 Wonder if we need some openjourneyplanner thing - obviously a
 massive task.

 ... but who owns bus timetables?
  
 The argument is raging as we speak This is a great blog post on
 the subject which shows how hard the agencies are being pushed at
 present:-
 http://news.cnet.com/8301-19882_3-10315749-250.html?part=rsssubj=newstag=2547-1_3-0-5

 At ITO we are pushing transport authorities virtually every day to get
 hold of the data under a commercial agreement where we pay them, but
 even that is hard! I am sure that in time the deal will be that the
 information is available without charge.

 Imo, we can't expect to maintain accurate timetables without access to
 the official data. It just isn't practical and sustainable to track
 all the detail and all the changes over time without it.

 And of course, the range of services which are suddenly available to
 authorities who release their data is growing by the day.



 Regards,



 Peter




 *strokes beard*

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[Talk-transit] Mentioned on the Open Knowledge Foundation blog

2009-08-25 Thread Frankie Roberto
Nice article here:
http://blog.okfn.org/2009/08/20/where-is-the-nearest-bus-stop-uk-department-for-transport-adds-naptan-data-to-open-street-map/

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Re: [Talk-transit] JOSM Plugin

2009-08-25 Thread Melchior Moos

 That said, I don't think one way or node can belong to the same relation
 more than once! So you wouldn't be able to map the 'loop' perfectly yet.



Of course it can and it should in such case!

  member type='node' ref='D' order='1' /
  member type='node' ref='C' order='2' /
  member type='node' ref='F' order='3' /
  member type='node' ref='B' order='4' /
  member type='node' ref='E' order='5' /
  member type='node' ref='C' order='6' /
  member type='node' ref='F' order='7' /
  member type='node' ref='B' order='8' /
  member type='node' ref='A' order='9' /

You don't need that order tag, the api saves the order in which you list the
members in the xml.

regards,
Melchior
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