Re: [Talk-transit] Issues with evening / sundays routes

[Cartinus]

I think the first part of your mail (before the opening hours stuff) is going 
backwards about it.

You're proposing to put things that are not completely or not at all right 
into tags that the tools already recognise, so they will give output that you 
like. E.g. ref=10/ref=10S when the bus company isn't using the S at all in 
the real world.

In 

 
there are tags like service=night / service=weekend and by_night=only. How 
about we ask the tool developers to support those?


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Re: [Talk-transit] Issues with evening / sundays routes

[vpot...@gmail.com]

Le 25/02/10 12:23, Tiziano D'Angelo a écrit :
> Hello to everyone,
>
> - a different network tag or a network relation in these evening or
> sunday routes: separate network relations. There would be then one
> network for Monday to
> Friday, another network for Sundays and another for evenings. I have
> started putting APS Mobilità Serale or APS Mobilità Festivo to
> distinguish from APS Mobilità (regular daytime network). But this
> causes anyway trouble in OPNV,OSMT or Roland's generator because they
> don't seem to distinguish the different network tag (and Roland's
> generator is coupling the evening line to the daytime line).
>   
On http://www.ginkobus.com/maps.php there are several "sub-network"
week, week-end, sub-urban.
I'm in favour of this solution :
- making sub-networks (Mobilità, Mobilità Serale...) gathering the
different routes of same period.
- making 'line' relations gathering the different routes of same ref.
- using the opening_hours tag on the sub-network / or on the route if
too specific
> - a different ref tag, like 10S for evening line 10 or 12F for sunday
> line 12. In this way OPNV,OSM Transport and Roland's generator would
> show these lines as separated from the daytime route.
> - what else? any other suggestion?
>   

> Then, what tag should be used in the route relation to express that
> that line is running Monday-Saturday or Sunday only? I've been using
> day_on=Mo-Sa or day_on=Su so far. What about operating times? Should I
> use opening_hours=21:00-24:00 for an evening line?
>   
One would use the day_on tag for monday to friday and for the week-end
An other would use the opening_hours tag with Mo-Fr 08:30-20:00 on
routes and a night opening_hours for night network.
The opening_hours include the day_on syntax.
So let us take the wider.
> The operating day and times are also important because using them can
> be used as a filter on the correspondances: for example, on weekday
> daytime only (Monday-Saturday 6:30-21:00) line 9
> (http://78.46.81.38/api/sketch-line?network=APS+Mobilit%C3%A0&ref=9&correspondences=50&width=1900&height=600&font-size=14&force-rows=1&max-cors-per-line=&max-cors-below=20&style=padua)
> I don't want to see line 42 correspondances (Sunday only 7:00-21:00),
> or evening line 10 (Mo-Su 21:00-24:00), because actually in reality
> these correspondances are not possible :D
>   
So the answer is not in using different ref but in using an
opening_hours tag.
> I'm waiting for your inputs :)
>
> ciao
> Tiziano
>
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>
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[Talk-transit] Issues with evening / sundays routes

[Tiziano D'Angelo]

Hello to everyone,

I'd like to hear your opinion about a specific issue I encountered
during the mapping of Padova, Italy bus and tram network. I discussed
this issue with Roland and we thought it was good to have a discussion
here on the list.

There are some daytime routes, line 3,5,10 as examples, which have
limited or extended routes in the evening (and maintain the same line
number). I have started drawing evening line 10 with a new relation,
which has an extended route to see what it happens.
The result is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/417179
Line 10 is also a daytime line, and basically, I understood I should
be using a same ref either for the daytime and evening routes. But
this causes a problem for example in OPNV and OSMTransport, where the
line 10 would be also shown in the extended route. Same thing in
Roland's generator, that combines all the routes with same ref into
one sketch (because some routes have branches and so on).
I was thinking that I could be using either:
- a different network tag or a network relation in these evening or
sunday routes: separate network relations. There would be then one
network for Monday to
Friday, another network for Sundays and another for evenings. I have
started putting APS Mobilità Serale or APS Mobilità Festivo to
distinguish from APS Mobilità (regular daytime network). But this
causes anyway trouble in OPNV,OSMT or Roland's generator because they
don't seem to distinguish the different network tag (and Roland's
generator is coupling the evening line to the daytime line).
- a different ref tag, like 10S for evening line 10 or 12F for sunday
line 12. In this way OPNV,OSM Transport and Roland's generator would
show these lines as separated from the daytime route.
- what else? any other suggestion?

Then, what tag should be used in the route relation to express that
that line is running Monday-Saturday or Sunday only? I've been using
day_on=Mo-Sa or day_on=Su so far. What about operating times? Should I
use opening_hours=21:00-24:00 for an evening line?

The operating day and times are also important because using them can
be used as a filter on the correspondances: for example, on weekday
daytime only (Monday-Saturday 6:30-21:00) line 9
(http://78.46.81.38/api/sketch-line?network=APS+Mobilit%C3%A0&ref=9&correspondences=50&width=1900&height=600&font-size=14&force-rows=1&max-cors-per-line=&max-cors-below=20&style=padua)
I don't want to see line 42 correspondances (Sunday only 7:00-21:00),
or evening line 10 (Mo-Su 21:00-24:00), because actually in reality
these correspondances are not possible :D

I'm waiting for your inputs :)

ciao
Tiziano

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