Re: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams
On 31 August 2010 10:05, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Looks to me like the platform is where the passengers wait (at the “bus stop”) and the “stop” role is where the bus physically stops on the way. From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop : The most widely accepted approach is to place bus stops nodes off *to one side of the highway way*, so *not* with node being part of the way. Sorry, but to me it looks like yet another fun thing to complicate the matter more than necessary. I use platform only where there is a terminus-like structure, that is where there is more than one bus stop. -- Best regards, mit freundlichen Grüssen, meilleurs sentiments, Pozdrowienia, Michał Borsuk ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams
--- Original Nachricht --- Absender: Michał Borsuk Datum: 30.08.2010 22:19 On 30 August 2010 18:34, Steffen dido_...@web.de mailto:dido_...@web.de wrot [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/13639 Why are the bus stops in the relation above separately mapped as a node (IMHO correct), and yet again as a platform? It is mapped ala Oxomoa/ÖPNV-Schema. look here [4] [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oxomoa/%C3%96PNV-Schema#Linienvariante or http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oxomoa/Public_transport_schema#Line_variant ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams
The nodes tagged highway=bus_stop (with role platform) are off to one side of the highway, so not part of the way. It is the nodes in the way that have the role stop. I personally wouldn’t bother with the latter as it should be obvious that the bus stops at the nearest point in the way in the relation where passengers transfer from the relevant platform “node” to the way. Ed From: talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Michal Borsuk Sent: 31 August 2010 09:40 To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams On 31 August 2010 10:05, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Looks to me like the platform is where the passengers wait (at the “bus stop”) and the “stop” role is where the bus physically stops on the way. From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop : The most widely accepted approach is to place bus stops nodes off to one side of the highway way, so not with node being part of the way. Sorry, but to me it looks like yet another fun thing to complicate the matter more than necessary. I use platform only where there is a terminus-like structure, that is where there is more than one bus stop. -- Best regards, mit freundlichen Grüssen, meilleurs sentiments, Pozdrowienia, Michał Borsuk ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams
On 31 August 2010 17:36, Steffen dido_...@web.de wrote: [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/13639 Why are the bus stops in the relation above separately mapped as a node (IMHO correct), and yet again as a platform? It is mapped ala Oxomoa/ÖPNV-Schema. Then drop the scheme at once. It is crazy. I bet that it is responsible for the suggestion that one route should be mapped twice, once in each direction. -- Best regards, mit freundlichen Grüssen, meilleurs sentiments, Pozdrowienia, Michał Borsuk ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams
--- Original Nachricht --- Absender: Michał Borsuk Datum: 31.08.2010 18:14 On 31 August 2010 17:36, Steffen dido_...@web.de mailto:dido_...@web.de wrote: [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/13639 Why are the bus stops in the relation above separately mapped as a node (IMHO correct), and yet again as a platform? It is mapped ala Oxomoa/ÖPNV-Schema. Then drop the scheme at once. It is crazy. I bet that it is responsible for the suggestion that one route should be mapped twice, once in each direction. Here is the whole one [4]. I hope, that is what you mine. Steffen [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oxomoa/Public_transport_schema ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] How to map named bus stop platform/positions
Since most renders only display the name to make it useful to the casual map user I'd suggest A name or B name in the name field. There is a similar problem with the GTFS stop_code. Cheerio John On 31 August 2010 14:17, Magnus Bäck ba...@swipnet.se wrote: In the Skånetrafiken public transport network in southmost Sweden, bus stops are identified not only by name but also by a capital letter that identifies this particular platform (or stop position, if you will). In most cases you have an A platform for one direction and a B platform across the street for buses heading the other direction. Example below. http://openbusmap.org/?zoom=18lat=56.01628lon=12.72438layers=BT How should this be entered into OSM? I think the information is useful since bigger bus stations may have tens of platforms, but I don't feel any of the existing tags really cover this case. For now I've included it in the name (Helsingborg Biblioteket (B) etc, see above), but this is hardly ideal. I suppose the ref attribute wouldn't be completely off, but it seems more geared towards network-internal reference numbers that are unknown to and useless for the travellers. The platform identifiers should be displayed on maps but perhaps not as prominently as the stop names. -- Magnus Bäck ba...@swipnet.se ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] How to map named bus stop platform/positions
I have previously used name (A) and name (B) for the same situation - and you can also place it into a separate ref=A or local_ref=A tag. -- David On 31 August 2010 19:31, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Since most renders only display the name to make it useful to the casual map user I'd suggest A name or B name in the name field. There is a similar problem with the GTFS stop_code. Cheerio John On 31 August 2010 14:17, Magnus Bäck ba...@swipnet.se wrote: In the Skånetrafiken public transport network in southmost Sweden, bus stops are identified not only by name but also by a capital letter that identifies this particular platform (or stop position, if you will). In most cases you have an A platform for one direction and a B platform across the street for buses heading the other direction. Example below. http://openbusmap.org/?zoom=18lat=56.01628lon=12.72438layers=BT How should this be entered into OSM? I think the information is useful since bigger bus stations may have tens of platforms, but I don't feel any of the existing tags really cover this case. For now I've included it in the name (Helsingborg Biblioteket (B) etc, see above), but this is hardly ideal. I suppose the ref attribute wouldn't be completely off, but it seems more geared towards network-internal reference numbers that are unknown to and useless for the travellers. The platform identifiers should be displayed on maps but perhaps not as prominently as the stop names. -- Magnus Bäck ba...@swipnet.se ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
