Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping intercity bus routes
I added service=express to the coaches that we have locally, using a
similar model to that used for train services. As long as it's clear, it
doesn't really matter (it can always be standardised at a later date).
{Formally, coaches are quite distinctive - the wheels are attached to an
underframe distinct from the coach body, which is why they are more
comfortable than buses. But I'd tend to make the distinction based on the
service offered, rather than the technology}.
Richard
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Jo wrote:
> In Belgium there are three operators, but in the region where they operate
> they each have both city lines and regional lines and then a few long
> distance lines operated with coaches. The regional lines are complementary
> to the city lines in the cities as well. And some city lines go 15kms
> outside the city in each direction, so the distinction is blurred.
>
> I agree that there are too many red lines on the transport map, but apart
> from using the official colours in a spiderlike representation, I don't see
> a good solution to that problem.
>
> Polyglot
>
>
> 2014-05-25 11:26 GMT+02:00 Jan :
>
> Hi
>>
>> Am 25.05.2014 11:02, schrieb Janko Mihelić:
>> > I don't think we need a new tag. There would be a lot of gray area,
>> > where do coaches end and buses start? The line isn't clear.
>> > What would help is we should map the operator tag and then the renderers
>> > should show the route or not based on the operator. Or different
>> > operators could be rendered with different colors.
>> >
>> > I think this is more a render problem than a mapping problem.
>> >
>> > Janko
>>
>> Of course it is a render problem. But you could not find the solution in
>> the operator tag. Why?
>> Have a look to Dresden. There you can find different operators. Esp.
>> RVD. The most lines from this operator are regional buslines around
>> Dresden. But there are also longdistance lines to Praha oder Berlin.
>> Or take a look at meinfernbus. Who is the operator? meinfernbus has the
>> licens an make the marketing sold tickets and so on. But the busses from
>> different small companys.
>>
>> What should be the different between the busroutes? I think in germany
>> it is a little bit easier. You have lines regional or urban lines which
>> are orderd by gouverment.
>> The other ones are not orderd. the company have to earn the money only
>> from passenger and the minimum amount is ristricted.
>>
>> Jan
>>
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Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping intercity bus routes
In Belgium there are three operators, but in the region where they operate they each have both city lines and regional lines and then a few long distance lines operated with coaches. The regional lines are complementary to the city lines in the cities as well. And some city lines go 15kms outside the city in each direction, so the distinction is blurred. I agree that there are too many red lines on the transport map, but apart from using the official colours in a spiderlike representation, I don't see a good solution to that problem. Polyglot 2014-05-25 11:26 GMT+02:00 Jan : > Hi > > Am 25.05.2014 11:02, schrieb Janko Mihelić: > > I don't think we need a new tag. There would be a lot of gray area, > > where do coaches end and buses start? The line isn't clear. > > What would help is we should map the operator tag and then the renderers > > should show the route or not based on the operator. Or different > > operators could be rendered with different colors. > > > > I think this is more a render problem than a mapping problem. > > > > Janko > > Of course it is a render problem. But you could not find the solution in > the operator tag. Why? > Have a look to Dresden. There you can find different operators. Esp. > RVD. The most lines from this operator are regional buslines around > Dresden. But there are also longdistance lines to Praha oder Berlin. > Or take a look at meinfernbus. Who is the operator? meinfernbus has the > licens an make the marketing sold tickets and so on. But the busses from > different small companys. > > What should be the different between the busroutes? I think in germany > it is a little bit easier. You have lines regional or urban lines which > are orderd by gouverment. > The other ones are not orderd. the company have to earn the money only > from passenger and the minimum amount is ristricted. > > Jan > > ___ > Talk-transit mailing list > Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping intercity bus routes
Hi Am 25.05.2014 11:02, schrieb Janko Mihelić: > I don't think we need a new tag. There would be a lot of gray area, > where do coaches end and buses start? The line isn't clear. > What would help is we should map the operator tag and then the renderers > should show the route or not based on the operator. Or different > operators could be rendered with different colors. > > I think this is more a render problem than a mapping problem. > > Janko Of course it is a render problem. But you could not find the solution in the operator tag. Why? Have a look to Dresden. There you can find different operators. Esp. RVD. The most lines from this operator are regional buslines around Dresden. But there are also longdistance lines to Praha oder Berlin. Or take a look at meinfernbus. Who is the operator? meinfernbus has the licens an make the marketing sold tickets and so on. But the busses from different small companys. What should be the different between the busroutes? I think in germany it is a little bit easier. You have lines regional or urban lines which are orderd by gouverment. The other ones are not orderd. the company have to earn the money only from passenger and the minimum amount is ristricted. Jan ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping intercity bus routes
I don't think we need a new tag. There would be a lot of gray area, where do coaches end and buses start? The line isn't clear. What would help is we should map the operator tag and then the renderers should show the route or not based on the operator. Or different operators could be rendered with different colors. I think this is more a render problem than a mapping problem. Janko 2014-05-25 0:30 GMT+02:00 Teemu Ikonen : > Hi, > > The current public transport schema bundles local bus transit routes > together with intercity buses (coaches), both routes are tagged with > route=bus. > > Since buses and coaches rarely are part of the same network, this > makes things rather confusing for users of transit maps like > Öpnvkarte. If I want to go to another part of town, I'll need the > routes of the local (bus) transit network and intercity services are > distraction, but if I'm going to another city, the opposite is true. > > Looking at main bus stations in European cities, one sees that not > many intercity routes are mapped. Given the current potential for > confusion with local transit, this is probably a good thing, but it > also means that OSM is missing a significant part of the public > transport network. > > The obvious fix would be to create a new public transport type in > addition to bus, train, tram, etc. Since British English seems to be > the standard in OSM, the new type should be called 'coach'. > > In practice, this type would be used in public_transport=stop_position > nodes with a coach=yes tag and in routes with route=coach. Coach > routes should have tags similar to bus routes (name, network, etc.). > Transit maps should render coach routes with a unique color to > distinguish them from other networks. > > Are there any downsides to this idea? How would one go about proposing > coach routes as a standard, documented feature? Should a new proposal > be made, or can the active public transport proposal at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport > be amended? > > Best, > Teemu > > ___ > Talk-transit mailing list > Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
