Re: [Talk-transit] [Imports] [OSM-talk] Automated edit for bus lines in Paris area
Have you taken a look at this project? https://github.com/CUTR-at-USF/gtfs-osm-sync On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, 6:36 AM Johnparis, wrote: > Hi, Stefan, two steps required. The second is a lot easier than the first. > > 1) curate a database of exiting nodes. Choosing a unique key usually isn't > difficult, especially if you are using GTFS data (stop_id is a good > choice). Cross-check against routes already mapped. > 2) write a proposal. You might want to wait till the feedback here is > addressed! :) > > Cheers, > > John > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: > >> If this will be allowed, I would want to do the same for The Netherlands. >> >> Stefan >> >> >> On dinsdag 5 juni 2018 06:45:22 CEST, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> >>> "Summary: Adding values for two existing tags to bus stops" >>> >>> example edit changes three tags. >>> >>> The same in the proposed changes etc comment. >>> >>> "This provides a link between the OSM node and the STIF stop_id." >>> >>> And how this match is obtained? >>> >>> Is source code of program generating matches and making edit published >>> somewhere? >>> >>> How edits will be split to avoid mega-edit changing thousands of objects >>> with massive bounding box? >>> >>> I see no mention of changeset tags - and wiki recommends adding some. >>> >>> 5 Jun 2018, 00:15 by ok...@johnfreed.com: >>> I am planning an automated edit to improve our coverage of two existing >>> tags in the Paris region. The data source is the regional transit >>> coordinating agency, Île-de-France Mobilité, formerly STIF. >>> >>> There is a question about wheelchair access that I would like feedback >>> on. >>> >>> If there is no need for a significant change, I plan to implement this >>> around June 20. >>> >>> Please make comments here or on the Discussion page attached to the >>> proposal: >>> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/johnparis >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John >>> >>> !DSPAM:1,5b16340e79641880612683! >>> >> >> -- >> Stefan >> >> > ___ > Imports mailing list > impo...@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports > ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] [Imports] [OSM-talk] Automated edit for bus lines in Paris area
On dinsdag 5 juni 2018 12:33:12 CEST, Johnparis wrote: Hi, Stefan, two steps required. The second is a lot easier than the first. 1) curate a database of exiting nodes. Choosing a unique key usually isn't difficult, especially if you are using GTFS data (stop_id is a good choice). Cross-check against routes already mapped. I would actually suggest also using the IFOPT information, since that is the physical object relation. I wonder if there is already an attribute there in OpenStreetMap, while the stop_id might change. 2) write a proposal. You might want to wait till the feedback here is addressed! :) Will do. -- Stefan ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] [Imports] [OSM-talk] Automated edit for bus lines in Paris area
I wasn't familiar with IFOPT, but one of its fellow travelers, Reflex, is associated with the "ref:FR:STIF" code in my proposal. Thanks for this. On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: > On dinsdag 5 juni 2018 12:33:12 CEST, Johnparis wrote: > >> Hi, Stefan, two steps required. The second is a lot easier than the >> first. >> 1) curate a database of exiting nodes. Choosing a unique key usually >> isn't difficult, especially if you are using GTFS data (stop_id is a good >> choice). Cross-check against routes already mapped. >> > > I would actually suggest also using the IFOPT information, since that is > the physical object relation. I wonder if there is already an attribute > there in OpenStreetMap, while the stop_id might change. > > 2) write a proposal. You might want to wait till the feedback here is >> addressed! :) >> > > Will do. > > -- > Stefan > > ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] [Imports] [OSM-talk] Automated edit for bus lines in Paris area
Yes. It has some useful ideas that can be adapted for the GSOC project mentioned by Jo. It doesn't really have any application to this edit, however. On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 1:00 PM, James wrote: > Have you taken a look at this project? https://github.com/ > CUTR-at-USF/gtfs-osm-sync > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, 6:36 AM Johnparis, wrote: > >> Hi, Stefan, two steps required. The second is a lot easier than the >> first. >> >> 1) curate a database of exiting nodes. Choosing a unique key usually >> isn't difficult, especially if you are using GTFS data (stop_id is a good >> choice). Cross-check against routes already mapped. >> 2) write a proposal. You might want to wait till the feedback here is >> addressed! :) >> >> Cheers, >> >> John >> >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Stefan de Konink >> wrote: >> >>> If this will be allowed, I would want to do the same for The Netherlands. >>> >>> Stefan >>> >>> >>> On dinsdag 5 juni 2018 06:45:22 CEST, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >>> "Summary: Adding values for two existing tags to bus stops" example edit changes three tags. The same in the proposed changes etc comment. "This provides a link between the OSM node and the STIF stop_id." And how this match is obtained? Is source code of program generating matches and making edit published somewhere? How edits will be split to avoid mega-edit changing thousands of objects with massive bounding box? I see no mention of changeset tags - and wiki recommends adding some. 5 Jun 2018, 00:15 by ok...@johnfreed.com: I am planning an automated edit to improve our coverage of two existing tags in the Paris region. The data source is the regional transit coordinating agency, Île-de-France Mobilité, formerly STIF. There is a question about wheelchair access that I would like feedback on. If there is no need for a significant change, I plan to implement this around June 20. Please make comments here or on the Discussion page attached to the proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/johnparis Thanks, John !DSPAM:1,5b16340e79641880612683! >>> >>> -- >>> Stefan >>> >>> >> ___ >> Imports mailing list >> impo...@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports >> > ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] [Imports] [OSM-talk] Automated edit for bus lines in Paris area
Hi, Stefan, two steps required. The second is a lot easier than the first. 1) curate a database of exiting nodes. Choosing a unique key usually isn't difficult, especially if you are using GTFS data (stop_id is a good choice). Cross-check against routes already mapped. 2) write a proposal. You might want to wait till the feedback here is addressed! :) Cheers, John On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: > If this will be allowed, I would want to do the same for The Netherlands. > > Stefan > > > On dinsdag 5 juni 2018 06:45:22 CEST, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> "Summary: Adding values for two existing tags to bus stops" >> >> example edit changes three tags. >> >> The same in the proposed changes etc comment. >> >> "This provides a link between the OSM node and the STIF stop_id." >> >> And how this match is obtained? >> >> Is source code of program generating matches and making edit published >> somewhere? >> >> How edits will be split to avoid mega-edit changing thousands of objects >> with massive bounding box? >> >> I see no mention of changeset tags - and wiki recommends adding some. >> >> 5 Jun 2018, 00:15 by ok...@johnfreed.com: >> I am planning an automated edit to improve our coverage of two existing >> tags in the Paris region. The data source is the regional transit >> coordinating agency, Île-de-France Mobilité, formerly STIF. >> >> There is a question about wheelchair access that I would like feedback on. >> >> If there is no need for a significant change, I plan to implement this >> around June 20. >> >> Please make comments here or on the Discussion page attached to the >> proposal: >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/johnparis >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> !DSPAM:1,5b16340e79641880612683! >> > > -- > Stefan > > ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] [Imports] [OSM-talk] Automated edit for bus lines in Paris area
Thanks for noting this, Jo. I'm hoping the GSOC project will simplify fusing GTFS data to existing nodes; that's the hard part of the curation that I've already done with the 11,000 nodes. Still 34,000 left to go, so the GSOC project could be a boon there. On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:03 AM, wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 09:02:41 +0200 > From: Jo > > > A tool to help with this kind of integration is being developed as a Google > Summer of Code project. It's in early stages and focused on GTFS feeds, but > we can look into doing this for lists of stops with approximate coordinates > as well. > > Polyglot > ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] [OSM-talk] Automated edit for bus lines in Paris area
replies inline On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:03 AM, wrote: > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 06:45:22 +0200 (CEST) > From: Mateusz Konieczny > > "Summary: Adding values for two existing tags to bus stops" > > example edit changes three tags. > > Thanks, fixed that. I originally planned to add missing values for the "wheelchair" tag, but I am not persuaded of the quality of the data from STIF. So only two. > The same in the proposed changes etc comment. > > Right. > "This provides a link between the OSM node and the STIF stop_id." > > And how this match is obtained? > > As stated in the proposal, I maintain a database of 11,000 curated nodes. Creation of the database was quite painstaking, but you could theoretically do it yourself (download all the bus stops, cross-check them against existing routes, clean clean clean, notify STIF of the worst errors, clean some more ...). This represents about 25% of all the STIF nodes. I add to the database regularly as I map new lines (typically about 50 nodes at a time). > Is source code of program generating matches and making edit published > somewhere? > > The matches are not generated in a programmatic sense. They are curated. I can publish the Perl program generating the edits if you like. It could be useful. It creates JOSM files. > How edits will be split to avoid mega-edit changing thousands of objects > with massive bounding box? > > JOSM upload with chunk size of 100. No bounding box, this edit affects only existing nodes. When I get to the actual upload, I will probably do 1000 per changeset, then spot-check. If people think it's desirable, I could do it as one changeset. > I see no mention of changeset tags - and wiki recommends adding some. > > It's there. Search for "changeset" on the proposal page. Thanks for your suggestions! > 5 Jun 2018, 00:15 by ok...@johnfreed.com: > > > I am planning an automated edit to improve our coverage of two existing > tags in the Paris region. The data source is the regional transit > coordinating agency, Île-de-France Mobilité, formerly STIF. > > > > There is a question about wheelchair access that I would like feedback > on. > > > > If there is no need for a significant change, I plan to implement this > around June 20. > > > > Please make comments here or on the Discussion page attached to the > proposal: > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/johnparis < > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/johnparis> > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] [Imports] [OSM-talk] Automated edit for bus lines in Paris area
If this will be allowed, I would want to do the same for The Netherlands. Stefan On dinsdag 5 juni 2018 06:45:22 CEST, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: "Summary: Adding values for two existing tags to bus stops" example edit changes three tags. The same in the proposed changes etc comment. "This provides a link between the OSM node and the STIF stop_id." And how this match is obtained? Is source code of program generating matches and making edit published somewhere? How edits will be split to avoid mega-edit changing thousands of objects with massive bounding box? I see no mention of changeset tags - and wiki recommends adding some. 5 Jun 2018, 00:15 by ok...@johnfreed.com: I am planning an automated edit to improve our coverage of two existing tags in the Paris region. The data source is the regional transit coordinating agency, Île-de-France Mobilité, formerly STIF. There is a question about wheelchair access that I would like feedback on. If there is no need for a significant change, I plan to implement this around June 20. Please make comments here or on the Discussion page attached to the proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/johnparis Thanks, John !DSPAM:1,5b16340e79641880612683! -- Stefan ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] [Imports] [OSM-talk] Automated edit for bus lines in Paris area
A tool to help with this kind of integration is being developed as a Google Summer of Code project. It's in early stages and focused on GTFS feeds, but we can look into doing this for lists of stops with approximate coordinates as well. Polyglot Op di 5 jun. 2018 om 08:59 schreef Stefan de Konink : > If this will be allowed, I would want to do the same for The Netherlands. > > Stefan > > On dinsdag 5 juni 2018 06:45:22 CEST, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > "Summary: Adding values for two existing tags to bus stops" > > > > example edit changes three tags. > > > > The same in the proposed changes etc comment. > > > > "This provides a link between the OSM node and the STIF stop_id." > > > > And how this match is obtained? > > > > Is source code of program generating matches and making edit > > published somewhere? > > > > How edits will be split to avoid mega-edit changing thousands > > of objects with massive bounding box? > > > > I see no mention of changeset tags - and wiki recommends adding some. > > > > 5 Jun 2018, 00:15 by ok...@johnfreed.com: > > I am planning an automated edit to improve our coverage of two > > existing tags in the Paris region. The data source is the > > regional transit coordinating agency, Île-de-France Mobilité, > > formerly STIF. > > > > There is a question about wheelchair access that I would like feedback > on. > > > > If there is no need for a significant change, I plan to > > implement this around June 20. > > > > Please make comments here or on the Discussion page attached to > > the proposal: > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/johnparis > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > !DSPAM:1,5b16340e79641880612683! > > -- > Stefan > > ___ > Imports mailing list > impo...@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports > ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
