Re: [Talk-transit] [Talk-GB] NaPTAN - Time for the rest?

[Peter Childs]

On 17 March 2010 07:09, Mark Williams  wrote:
> Gregory wrote:
>> Ah, I hadn't seen http://openbusmap.org/ / http://www.öpnvkarte.de/
>>  before.
>> It looks cool and I sometimes want to know the route the buses take (in
>> a non-schematic way). Just a quick look of my parents place and I've
>> spotted two routes that are slightly off.
>>
>
> It does look a nice render - I was impressed that the IOW Steam Railway
> shows as well as the 'main line' train. All the ferries too! This beats
> several of the commercial maps, my car still refuses to believe in the
> Southampton-Cowes fairy!
>
> It only appears to go to Zoom 13 though - not quite big enough to read
> the print, without getting out of my chair...
>
> I shall show it to some folk & see what enthusiasm it can engender :)
>
> Mark
>
>

Fun more work, That will be a fun couple of days work adding routes
for every South Eastern Train, and then I'll have to get on to the
Medway buses too.

Nice map shame about the lack of data guess we'll just have to add it.

Peter.

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Re: [Talk-transit] Missing flag

[Peter Childs]

2009/9/23 Ed Loach :
> I went to verify a bus stop last night and in the location I expected to find 
> it found the bottom section of a lamppost with lots of yellow tape on the 
> top, and a new lamppost immediately adjacent. I figure something happened to 
> the old lamppost which had the flag attached (accident, perhaps - it was 
> nearest light to a mini-roundabout) and while the lamp post was replaced the 
> flag hasn't (yet).
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/474893414
>
> If I see a bus actually stop there do I add physically_present=no and just 
> keep an eye on it until the flag gets replaced (which I assume it will be 
> eventually, although the number of broken signs which are little more than a 
> bracket on a lamppost which I might not have found without the import 
> suggests that they might not get replaced particularly regularly).
>
> Oh, and does physically_present=yes mean that a bus stop flag is present? Or 
> will a yellow box painted on the road and labelled bus stop but without an 
> adjacent flag also count?
>
> Ed
>

Personally I would suggest that if its Painted on the road, its
Physically Present, whether the flag is there or not. I would suggest
that a bus stop that is not physically_present is one that is not
marked in any way shape or form, but a location where bus stop to take
on, or set down passengers. (This may include out side a Train Station
when a rail replacement service is running)

If the flag is missing, feel free to put that in the notes (unless
there is a tag for such things)

(Maybe a railreplacement=yes tag might not be a bad idea)

Peter

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Re: [Talk-transit] London Bridge

[Peter Childs]

2009/9/18 Ed Loach :
> Peter asked:
>
>> Anyone got a Zoom Layer beyond level 19 so I can see what I'm
>> doing
>> and pace the station out..
>
> JOSM. I think you can just keep zooming in. It also displays the
> length (and bearing) of the current way you're adding. Useful in
> some situations.
>
> Ed
>
>
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Hmm I'll find my theodolite, trundle wheel, and compass and go map the tube.

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Re: [Talk-transit] London Bridge

[Peter Childs]

2009/9/18 Frankie Roberto :
>
> 2009/9/18 Peter Childs 
>
>> Its very difficult as London Bridge is based on about 6 layers with
>> random escalators, lifts and ramps connecting it up.
>>
>> I'm thinking the building should only cover parts with a roof on and
>> hence really needs cutting up.
>
> Yeah, agree.
>
>>
>> Is there a marker I can put up to say where the trains actually stop
>> and that you need to move down the platform.
>
> Ideally, there should a way per railway track, and a way per platform (you
> can map platforms as areas, but it seems to work better as linear ways).  If
> there's a way that represents more than one track (eg two tracks running
> between island platforms, add tracks=2).
>
> Then, make a node on each track to represent where the trains stop. There
> can be more than one of these if there are a few stopping points (eg
> platform 1a, 1b).  Tag this railway=stop.
>
> All of these stopping points, plus the platforms, plus the station building,
> should then all belong to the station's relation
> (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/205097) - ideally add
> role=stop to the stop nodes.
>

Ok I spouse I need stop markers for different number of carriages.
What about the back of the train?

Also I guess we are going to need a tag to say "The last set of doors
will not open" as the platform is not long enough.

Maybe we should have door marks, ie Rather than say the train stops
here say where the doors should be; I've seen these marked on the
platform in some parts of the world and parts of the Tube have
automatic doors fixed to the platform!

Peter.

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[Talk-transit] London Bridge

[Peter Childs]

I've been trying to sort out the Map of London Bridge Station.

Its very difficult as London Bridge is based on about 6 layers with
random escalators, lifts and ramps connecting it up.

I'm thinking the building should only cover parts with a roof on and
hence really needs cutting up.

Is there a marker I can put up to say where the trains actually stop
and that you need to move down the platform.

Oh and the whole station seams to be done from a mix of Guess Work,
Ground Knowledge, Yahoo Imaging, and the Odd GPS plot but its near
impossible to get a GPS lock under ground and even on the platform due
to the SkyScrapers its quite hard work with the limited device I've
got.

Anyone got a Zoom Layer beyond level 19 so I can see what I'm doing
and pace the station out..

Peter.

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Re: [Talk-transit] Bus stops not in naptan

[Peter Childs]

2009/9/18 Ed Loach :
> Was there an agreement reached on how to tag bus stops that aren't in naptan? 
> I verified 2 last night when out walking that I could see on the Mapnik layer 
> only to find when I got back that they were two that I added in the dim and 
> distant past (last December), so I'd verified my own additions.
>
> It's probable that no buses use that route at present, though I may be wrong. 
> Holland Road, Little Clacton.
> Nodes 317709575 and 317709576
>
> I'm guessing perhaps physically_present=yes?
>
> Ed
>
>

I suspect we may find quite a few of these.

Round us in Kent, we have Commuter Coaches that have there own stops
that are nothing to do with the Local Bus company(s) so I doubt they
are in Naplan but they do have regular buses.

I don't think Medway has been imported yet so I can't say. (Note to
self must add Medway to list)

Peter

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