Re: [Talk-transit] Several stations in a stop_area
On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 6:38 AM Alexey Z via Talk-transit < talk-transit@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Hello. > > Let me raise a question/appeal about stop_area relation. PTv2 is very > disputable and imperfect, so I tried to touch a narrow and practical aspect > to solve a specific problem. I really hope for your help to make the OSM PT > data truly useful for data consumers. > > This is the description of the problem with pictures: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:public_transport%3Dstop_area#Several_stations_in_a_stop_area > > This is the problematic stop_area: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7672142 > I'm generally inclined to believe Trimet (who had been developing transit data feeds for at least a decade before their data format became the GTFS standard) more or less knows what they're doing with a resource they created, and PT2 is largely based on that. Within that context, can you give the cliff notes on what your proposal is that is substantively different? ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Several stations in a stop_area
Hello, as this is about Vienna and I tend to map pt there I thought I‘d say something: Indeed, the definitions of pt-2 are slightly imperfect, and in my eye, relations should be as compact as possible with little redundancy. This is why I put all stops that are part of one station complex into one stop_area. (The entrances to the underground stations often get put in by other mappers too). If there is one big station with multiple parts (like Hauptbahnhof with Hauptbahnhof Süd and Hauptbahnhof Ost, I create a stop area group for stop areas containing all off their station-part-stops. ([0]) I would not see the use in just putting single stops of eg one line into a stop area. That would create far too much relation clutter for big areas. Like Stephansplatz U1, Stephansplatz U3, and Stephansplatz Bus, isn‘t it better the whole komplex is recognizable by the one stop_area relation? And at Hauptbahnhof, the mess would be indescribable if done on a per stop position bases. [0]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7501609 So far my thoughts on the matter. KR RobinD (emergency99) > Am 22.01.2022 um 14:06 schrieb Jarek Piórkowski : > > > Would stop_area_group be a solution here? That was proposed a while back but > I'm not sure if it was officially accepted. > >> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 07:36 Alexey Z via Talk-transit >> wrote: >> >> Hello. >> >> Let me raise a question/appeal about stop_area relation. PTv2 is very >> disputable and imperfect, so I tried to touch a narrow and practical aspect >> to solve a specific problem. I really hope for your help to make the OSM PT >> data truly useful for data consumers. >> >> This is the description of the problem with pictures: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:public_transport%3Dstop_area#Several_stations_in_a_stop_area >> >> This is the problematic stop_area: >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7672142 >> >> Best regards, >> Alexey Zakharenkov >> ___ >> Talk-transit mailing list >> Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > ___ > Talk-transit mailing list > Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Several stations in a stop_area
Would stop_area_group be a solution here? That was proposed a while back but I'm not sure if it was officially accepted. On Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 07:36 Alexey Z via Talk-transit < talk-transit@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Hello. > > Let me raise a question/appeal about stop_area relation. PTv2 is very > disputable and imperfect, so I tried to touch a narrow and practical aspect > to solve a specific problem. I really hope for your help to make the OSM PT > data truly useful for data consumers. > > This is the description of the problem with pictures: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:public_transport%3Dstop_area#Several_stations_in_a_stop_area > > This is the problematic stop_area: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7672142 > > Best regards, > Alexey Zakharenkov > ___ > Talk-transit mailing list > Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[Talk-transit] Several stations in a stop_area
Hello. Let me raise a question/appeal about stop_area relation. PTv2 is very disputable and imperfect, so I tried to touch a narrow and practical aspect to solve a specific problem. I really hope for your help to make the OSM PT data truly useful for data consumers. This is the description of the problem with pictures: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:public_transport%3Dstop_area#Several_stations_in_a_stop_area This is the problematic stop_area: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7672142 Best regards, Alexey Zakharenkov___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
