Re: [Talk-us] Temporarily Deleting Relations from Interstate Ways

2009-05-06 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
not a good idea to delete the relation. It will be incredible painful  
to add all pieces agin and not missing a single bridge.
Josm is the best solution. Also Merkaator supports Yahoo images.
The nice thing in Josm is you can select all members of a realtion  
easily. download all members, 
for windows there is a single download for webkit. Mac OS is a bit  
more work but works too.


On 5 May 2009, at 7:53 , Ted Mielczarek wrote:

 On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've been working on state highways and interstate relations myself  
 lately, too. I stopped using Potlatch for exactly this reason...


 On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Philip Shipley p...@barby.net wrote:
 Any thoughts, objections, better ideas..please don't say  
 JOSM..

 Use JOSM. For simple stuff like this it is pretty easy to use.

 If you have a specific gripe against JOSM, let me know -- I'd be  
 happy to help you work through it. If you just don't like it, I  
 don't think there are any other editors out there that are as  
 feature-complete as Potlatch or JOSM.

 Also, I vote that you don't remove relations just to make editing  
 easier. It would be a pain to add those back.

 Is there a wiki page on how to get the Yahoo imagery into JOSM  
 painlessly? That's the primary reason I used Potlatch when fixing up  
 bits of I-80/81 around here.

 -Ted

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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER Data in Wrong Place

2009-05-06 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 19:08 +0100, Andrew Ayre wrote:
 Hi! When I load OSM data into my GPS unit using mkgmap for a place in 
 the UK then it is accurate. When I load OSM data for Tucson, Arizona 
 then it is off by perhaps 100ft.
 
 I would like to make the maps for Tucson usable, so my questions are:
 
- how do I tell where this problem begins and ends?

You probably can't do this on a large scale.

- how do I fix it?

In JOSM, you can select and move large numbers of objects at once.  My
neighborhood was off by a couple hundred meters.  I went and fixed it
all back up manually.

 I don't have the time to manually move everything, so there must be some 
 kind of automated solution? Does this problem exist for the whole of the 
 US? Is it well understood?

No, it doesn't exist for the whole US.

It is well understood.  TIGER is a collection of data from many, many
sources.  Some of these were from local governments that were themselves
aggregating data from multiple sources.  Sometimes, the data were off
from one of these sources.  It was not collected for the sole purpose of
mapping, so nobody really cared.

 Also if you look at the diagonal (NW-SE) part of the Arizona-Mexico 
 border there are streets in the US that appear in Mexico - the whole 
 border area appears to be a mess. How do I know what needs to be done to 
 fix this? The error looks larger than 100ft.

You really need some good GPS traces of the streets, or you can try to
align it on yahoo imagery.

-- Dave


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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER Data in Wrong Place

2009-05-06 Thread Paul Johnson
Andrew Ayre wrote:
 Hi! When I load OSM data into my GPS unit using mkgmap for a place in 
 the UK then it is accurate. When I load OSM data for Tucson, Arizona 
 then it is off by perhaps 100ft.
 
 I would like to make the maps for Tucson usable, so my questions are:
 
- how do I tell where this problem begins and ends?

Get on the road, create a trace of where you want to check.  Visually
compare map to trace.

- how do I fix it?

JOSM usually works well.

 I don't have the time to manually move everything, so there must be some 
 kind of automated solution? Does this problem exist for the whole of the 
 US? Is it well understood?

No automated solution.  Problem exists to varying degrees nationwide.
It's well understood that the TIGER data has a giant margin of error.

 Also if you look at the diagonal (NW-SE) part of the Arizona-Mexico 
 border there are streets in the US that appear in Mexico - the whole 
 border area appears to be a mess. How do I know what needs to be done to 
 fix this? The error looks larger than 100ft.

This will probably require some serious manual intervention.  If you
know where the border really is in that area, you should probably fix it.



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