[Talk-us] plea for bot quality control

2010-05-02 Thread Richard Welty
as i work my way west along the PA/NY border fixing connectivity 
problems, i'm
suitably impressed by the patches west of Waverly/NY 17 where the ways 
are missing,
only the nodes have been left behind.

please, bots are powerful tools. don't run bots that do things like 
remove dups unless
you have a quality control plan.  please.

thanks,
   richard


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Re: [Talk-us] plea for bot quality control

2010-05-02 Thread Nakor
On 5/2/2010 9:59 AM, Richard Welty wrote:
 as i work my way west along the PA/NY border fixing connectivity
 problems, i'm
 suitably impressed by the patches west of Waverly/NY 17 where the ways
 are missing,
 only the nodes have been left behind.

 please, bots are powerful tools. don't run bots that do things like
 remove dups unless
 you have a quality control plan.  please.



Richard,

You might want to extend your message to talk as there are quite a few 
bots running that are not maintained by US based contributors. In PA I 
have seen a lot of duplicate nodes fixed but with duplicate ways left 
behind. I messaged some of the users doing this but did not get any 
response so far.

   Thanks,

N.

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Re: [Talk-us] plea for bot quality control

2010-05-02 Thread Chris Hunter
Perhaps a bot to auto-ban accounts that are running unauthorized bots ;)

Seriously though, I've all-but stopped contributing to the map until after
the SOTMs because of issues like this.

One of the other things that OSM desperately needs is a way to coordinate
tagging across editors and renderers.  Yes I know that the traditional
answer is tag for reality, not for the renderer,  but in all seriousness,
the data is useless without renderers and vice-versa.

I haven't had the time lately to check-in with the US SOTM group, but I'd
like to see a schema file for tags that have gone through the approval
process that JOSM, mkgmap, Mapnik, Potlatch, etc... can all read.

Obviously, the file would need to be kept centralized and only be writable
by a limited number of people.  CVS, GIT, and MediaWIKI all have user-rights
functions to accomplish this.  Any takers?

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Nakor nakor@gmail.com wrote:

 On 5/2/2010 9:59 AM, Richard Welty wrote:
  as i work my way west along the PA/NY border fixing connectivity
  problems, i'm
  suitably impressed by the patches west of Waverly/NY 17 where the ways
  are missing,
  only the nodes have been left behind.
 
  please, bots are powerful tools. don't run bots that do things like
  remove dups unless
  you have a quality control plan.  please.
 
 

 Richard,

 You might want to extend your message to talk as there are quite a few
 bots running that are not maintained by US based contributors. In PA I
 have seen a lot of duplicate nodes fixed but with duplicate ways left
 behind. I messaged some of the users doing this but did not get any
 response so far.

   Thanks,

 N.

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Re: [Talk-us] Restriction tagging

2010-05-02 Thread Nakor
Better late than never: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:No_exit_next_ramp.JPG

On 09/29/2009 11:13 AM, Shaun McDonald wrote:
 Photos would be really, really useful for examples.

 On 29 Sep 2009, at 13:33, Anthony wrote:

 I have to admit I'm curious. What are the signs for that, and where
 are they?

 On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Nakor nakor...@gmail.com
 mailto:nakor...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 I am wondering how you can map that when you enter a highway from a
 specific ramp you cannot exit at the next one. Please see
 http://osm.org/go/ZXCt9WHU-- where it is forbidden driving from I-94
 east to M-10 to exit M-10 at exit 4C. Is what I did in relation
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/275622 correct?

 Thanks,

 N.

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Re: [Talk-us] Restriction tagging

2010-05-02 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.ukwrote:

 I think that would be mapped as a separate parallel way, with the one way's
 causing it to prevent it using the exit that you can't use, thus producing
 correct routing.

 Shaun


Well, it wasn't.  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/275622

If you mean it should be mapped that way, that's the whole use separate
ways only when physically divided (after all, you might be routing for
ambulances) question.
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

2010-05-02 Thread Steven Johnson
I like the way Jim has broken out the components of US OSM pages. Some of
these are probably better as wiki pages, others as more static pages. But
having it in 'bite sized chunks' makes it easier to divide the work and
manage the tasks.

SEJ

Wretches, utter wretches, keep your hands from beans. -Empedocles



On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 17:43, Jim McAndrew j...@loc8.us wrote:


 On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Jim McAndrew j...@loc8.us wrote:


 What are the goals for the openstreetmap.us web page?


 That's a good question that we should probably all discuss.

 My opinion is that it should be a one-stop-shop for growing the US OSM
 community. Not entirely sure what that entails, but I imagine it starts
 with:
 - a calendar
 - pages for specific communities both new and established (the DC and Bay
 Area folks come to mind)
 - resources for getting involved (for someone that maybe doesn't want to
 commit to a mapping party yet but still wants to be involved?)
 - ...I ran out of ideas

 Any others?

 I like the ideas that Richard Weait has of integrating it with more social
 networking tools.  I'm not entirely sure how that would be done without
 being too obtrusive.

 People coming to the openstreetmap.us website are going to be interested
 in:

- Events
   - Mapping parties
   - Meetups
   - Talks
- How people can help
   - Holding Mapping Parties
   - Doing Personal Mapping
   - Ideas
- Funding OpenStreetMap.us
   - at least it should be easy for them to do so
- Learning more about the organization
- How to get a hold of people
- Equipment needed to map
   - walking papers
   - GPSes

 There's really a lot that can go into it.  The wiki format would make it
 easy for the community to add these things as people wish to see them, but
 isn't as attractive to people that aren't used to technical webpages.

 -
 Jim McAndrew




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