Re: [Talk-us] Route Relation Nitpicking
On 16 Jun 2010, at 21:26 , Zeke Farwell wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i think the rendered pseudo-shields probably need to show some reference to the network the highway is in, otherwise you'd not know what kind of shield you're looking for. Yes, to be clear I was not suggesting that network prefixes are a bad thing for a renderer to show, just that I don't think they belong in the ref tag. I don't see why a renderer can't use ref and network to display US 7 or 7 on a US shield graphic. mentioned earlier already. the ref tag is taken by a standardization in osm worldwide. sure osm is free and everyone is allowed to change things but then don't expect to get any useful rendering anywhere. it doesn't matter if it's technically possible. if a different tagging is needed then introduce new tags or use a namespace like ref:don't like the old tag and=7 don't tag for a specific renderer and more important don't tag against all existing renderer ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Route Relation Nitpicking
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.comwrote: mentioned earlier already. the ref tag is taken by a standardization in osm worldwide. sure osm is free and everyone is allowed to change things but then don't expect to get any useful rendering anywhere. it doesn't matter if it's technically possible. if a different tagging is needed then introduce new tags or use a namespace like ref:don't like the old tag and=7 don't tag for a specific renderer and more important don't tag against all existing renderer Yes, the ref tag rendering on an oval is the worldwide OSM standard but this doesn't work very well here in the US. In a lot of other countries the actual reference number (on the sign) has a letter prefix (A22, E51, M3, etc) this makes it very easy to tell what network the road is a part of from the reference number so the OSM standard works. In the US the reference is simply a number, and the network is generally represented by shield shape. I 89, US 7, and NY 9 are all fudged reference numbers in order to make the map look (somewhat) right to us americans. The actual reference numbers are 89, 7, and 9. Unfortunately here in the US you need another piece of information to get the whole story. If we stick with the current standard of a network prefix in the ref tag, we could utilize the nat_ref tag for just the actual reference number. Then a renderer could choose to use nat_ref and network to render a great looking US map with proper shields and numbers, or just use the regular ref tag and still avoid confusion. This would be more work/confusion for mappers but would offer easy options to renderers. Alternatively ref could be just the number and int_ref could be network prefix and number. Zeke ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Route Relation Nitpicking
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: You know that nat and int are short for national and international, right? Yup. If they are needed for something else then those tags can be avoided and a new one could be created (us_ref?). It just seems better to use existing tags when possible. Also removing network prefixes from ref tags *on ways* doesn't work because of overlaps. Oh absolutely. I'm solely talking about relations. Since no renderers pull ref tags from relations yet I see it as an opportunity to rethink how we tag route numbers in the US. I hope that eventually all renderers will pull ref tags from relations, because relations a such a superior way to represent overlapping route data. When that happens there will be no need for ref tags on ways except for very simple, single way routes. So I'm hoping we can sort things out a bit for when that day comes. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic here, but if renderers aren't going to support route relations some day, then there isn't much point to them. Zeke ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Aeroway=Aerodrome Modifier Tags?
On Sat, 2010-06-12 at 20:28 -0400, Richard Welty wrote: aerodrome=rc_airstrip aerodrome is used for an area. I've submitted the change as #3062 (aeroway=rc_runway), similar to how regular runways are tagged. - Val - ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
