Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)
On 1/15/2012 8:01 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: and the script ignored the TIGER subtags and improperly expanded it to West Avenue East I'm not sure what you mean about ignoring the TIGER subtags, but this street has tiger:name_direction_suffix = E, which the script used to expand the name. In my opinion, it's just a TIGER data entry error. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)
On 1/15/2012 8:25 AM, Mike N wrote: On 1/15/2012 8:01 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: and the script ignored the TIGER subtags and improperly expanded it to West Avenue East I'm not sure what you mean about ignoring the TIGER subtags, but this street has tiger:name_direction_suffix = E, which the script used to expand the name. In my opinion, it's just a TIGER data entry error. Actually the script also expanded the W to West. But my point is that it is a TIGER entry error, and any future script needs to take into account that these exist and people may have already fixed them to the correct names. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)
On 1/15/2012 8:28 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Actually the script also expanded the W to West. But my point is that it is a TIGER entry error, and any future script needs to take into account that these exist and people may have already fixed them to the correct names. Agreed- if we're thinking of a bot that periodically fixes everything, we need a special tag that says abbreviation_bot=back_off (but perhaps not so verbose) - something that tells the bot not to touch the name because it is unusual and has been manually checked. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Invitation to speak to (or join with) non-commercial Silicon Valley Automotive Open Source Group
Greetings, Mappers. I'm the founder of the non-commercial and free Silicon Valley Automotive Open Source Group, described here: http://www.meetup.com/Silicon-Valley-Automotive-Open-Source/ As a group that is seeking to promote open-source software and hardware in the smart transportation sector, we share a lot of interests and concerns with OSM, whose wonderful data we will undoubtedly use.I'm pleased to say that we now have nearly 100 members. I have two reasons to contact you: 1. We are recruiting a speaker for March, and are wondering if someone local to the Bay Area or passing through might be able to give a talk about the project.A few years ago I heard Sarah Manley speak, but her email now bounces.Would anyone like to volunteer? 2. Obviously, we invite anyone in the Bay Area to join the group. Thanks for all your hard work, Alison -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600 (cell) http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ Laws only declare rights; they do not deliver them. Happy Birthday, Dr. King. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] What is a dual carriageway?
SR9 in Hurricane UT, has either 4 or 5 lanes. Two in each direction and the fifth a turning lane, that occurs for part of the road. Part of the road is limited access, but you can make a U turn on the part with 5 lanes, and there is grade access from intersecting streets. The road is represented as two, two lane, one way streets for its entire length, but it has a FIXME tag that says not a dual carriageway. Should the 5 lane part, be shown as a single 5 lane road? Thanks, Hilton image001.gif___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What is a dual carriageway?
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Hilton Long seldoms...@scinternet.netwrote: SR9 in Hurricane UT, has either 4 or 5 lanes. Two in each direction and the fifth a turning lane, that occurs for part of the road. Part of the road is limited access, but you can make a U turn on the part with 5 lanes, and there is grade access from intersecting streets. The road is represented as two, two lane, one way streets for its entire length, but it has a FIXME tag that says “not a dual carriageway”. ** ** Should the 5 lane part, be shown as a single 5 lane road? ** I only map two separate ways when there's a median you can't cross, so the two directions are physically separate. By that rationale, it should be one way feature. I am curious if other mappers use the same convention. -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com image001.gif___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)
On 15 January 2012 14:35, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 1/15/2012 8:28 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Actually the script also expanded the W to West. But my point is that it is a TIGER entry error, and any future script needs to take into account that these exist and people may have already fixed them to the correct names. Agreed- if we're thinking of a bot that periodically fixes everything, we need a special tag that says abbreviation_bot=back_off (but perhaps not so verbose) - something that tells the bot not to touch the name because it is unusual and has been manually checked. Perhaps checking if either the name= tag or the direction_suffix tag has ever been edited by a human would be a good measure. The ways which have been edited might need to be manually reviewed if they contain an unexpanded N, E, W or S. Cheers ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What is a dual carriageway?
On 1/15/2012 12:31 PM, Hilton Long wrote: SR9 in Hurricane UT, has either 4 or 5 lanes. Two in each direction and the fifth a turning lane, that occurs for part of the road. Part of the road is limited access, but you can make a U turn on the part with 5 lanes, and there is grade access from intersecting streets. The road is represented as two, two lane, one way streets for its entire length, but it has a FIXME tag that says “not a dual carriageway”. Should the 5 lane part, be shown as a single 5 lane road? I most likely added the tag, so I'm biased :) For some purposes (e.g. improvement of highways to four-lane divided by Georgia's GRIP program) a center turn lane (for the record, center_turn_lane=yes) counts as a median. But in general, if you can drive anywhere on the paved surface, it shouldn't count as a divided highway. For example, a pedestrian can take refuge in a median, but cannot do so (safely) in a center turn lane. A driver can turn left (and probably U-turn) anywhere. If there's an obstruction on the right side, you can cross the centerline to pass. At least in Florida, you have to stop for a school bus coming the other way if there's a center turn lane, but not if there's an unpaved space of at least 5 feet, a raised median, or a physical barrier. Essentially there are very few advantages to mapping it as two ways, and many to mapping it as one. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles
Hi all,
In order to assist with road name checking I've set up a Mapnik layer
rendering from TIGER 2011 ROADS data. It consists of a transparent tile
with a white line (of varying thickness for the different MTFCC's) for the
road and white text for the road's full name. I did this with JOSM in mind
(which will stack imagery layers). I haven't tested it in P2 but would be
happy to set up a different style for users of P2. It's designed for higher
zooms and I don't do anything particular for low zooms. In fact it looks
pretty noisy and slow, but it still works.
The JOSM TMS URL is http://{switch:a,b,c}.
tile.openstreetmap.us/tiger2011_roads/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
I have grand plans to create vector layers as well (to allow for
spot-importing of TIGER data), but I don't have time to do that currently.
Let me know if you have any ideas to make it better.
-Ian
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[Talk-us] Fwd: What is a dual carriageway?
And to the list.. -- Forwarded message -- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] What is a dual carriageway? To: Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Essentially there are very few advantages to mapping it as two ways, and many to mapping it as one. The added advantage of mapping a real dual carriageway (with physical, non-passable median) as two ways is that all the turn restrictions are sorted. But again, I'd strongly advise against mapping any road that is one physical continuous slab of road surface as two way entities. -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)
On 1/15/2012 12:47 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Perhaps checking if either the name= tag or the direction_suffix tag has ever been edited by a human would be a good measure. The ways which have been edited might need to be manually reviewed if they contain an unexpanded N, E, W or S. I agree that this is a good strategy for TIGER data, but there was also talk of running the bot for all ways, including those having just highway= and name= tags. Everyone will certainly enter name=Xyz Rd for their first edit. The JOSM validator will pick this up, but I don't remember if Potlatch 2 would notice that. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What is a dual carriageway?
On 1/15/2012 12:45 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: I only map two separate ways when there's a median you can't cross, so the two directions are physically separate. By that rationale, it should be one way feature. I am curious if other mappers use the same convention. I agree with that method. Since navigation apps area very useful application of OSM data, visualize driving the road and turning left anywhere, as opposed to being directed to the next intersection and told to make a U turn. Similarly when being directed out of a location left onto the road, directions should be to turn left instead of right+U turn when there's no driving median separator. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)
Mike N. wrote: Everyone will certainly enter name=Xyz Rd for their first edit. The JOSM validator will pick this up, but I don't remember if Potlatch 2 would notice that. No, it won't. P2 will get inbuilt QA one day, but only when someone has the time to do it _properly_. :) cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Imports-information-on-the-wiki-tp7144553p7190384.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
In order to assist with road name checking I've set up a Mapnik layer
rendering from TIGER 2011 ROADS data. It consists of a transparent tile with
a white line (of varying thickness for the different MTFCC's) for the road
and white text for the road's full name. I did this with JOSM in mind (which
will stack imagery layers). I haven't tested it in P2 but would be happy to
set up a different style for users of P2. It's designed for higher zooms and
I don't do anything particular for low zooms. In fact it looks pretty noisy
and slow, but it still works.
The JOSM TMS URL is
http://{switch:a,b,c}.tile.openstreetmap.us/tiger2011_roads/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
I have grand plans to create vector layers as well (to allow for
spot-importing of TIGER data), but I don't have time to do that currently.
Let me know if you have any ideas to make it better.
Great, thanks for doing this! The white works well with a downloaded
data layer in JOSM, but definitely not with a OSM-Mapnik background.
Are there any tiles out there that have just highways (preferably
dark), with a transparent background? That would make this tool
excellent for spotting discrepancies, at high and low zoom levels.
Thanks, I'll be sure and look at this more later.
-Josh
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