Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Apr 30, 2012 5:00 PM, David Litke dwli...@comcast.net wrote: I just did a few manual TIGER reviews in JOSM and got a validation warning that words like Street and Avenue were abbreviated as St and Ave. So I wonder if this is considered something that needs to be fixed? Yes. Rule one of abbreviations: Don't do it! If so, shouldn't it be easy to somehow do a batch global update? There have been some limited automated expansions, though they can be problematic, because abbreviations can mean many possible things. Expanding abbreviations requires a bit of a human touch. Creating abbreviations in the renderer when so desired, not so much. If by limited you mean half the country :) Yes, there was a TIGER name expansion bot that ran from the west coast to about the Mississippi. I believe It was stopped after some complaints about it not handling some situations correctly. But I would probably be in favor of trying to complete it. Related: http://ksmapper.blogspot.com/2011/05/main-attraction.html Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations
On 4/30/2012 10:24 PM, Toby Murray wrote: I believe It was stopped after some complaints about it not handling some situations correctly. But I would probably be in favor of trying to complete it. I would agree - there's no point in asserting that we have to spend time manually expanding everything, it's not adding value to the map data. And the bot is probably more accurate than a human, limited only by the accuracy of the base TIGER data - think of all the possible typos on streeet, avenve, and boulavard. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations
David Litke dwli...@comcast.net wrote: I just did a few manual TIGER reviews in JOSM and got a validation warning that words like Street and Avenue were abbreviated as St and Ave. So I wonder if this is considered something that needs to be fixed? If so, shouldn't it be easy to somehow do a batch global update? This has been discussed, and tried, before. Unfortunately, some abbreviations can stand for more than one thing, and it takes local knowledge to be sure what is the right choice. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations
On 4/30/12 10:35 PM, Mike N wrote: On 4/30/2012 10:24 PM, Toby Murray wrote: I believe It was stopped after some complaints about it not handling some situations correctly. But I would probably be in favor of trying to complete it. I would agree - there's no point in asserting that we have to spend time manually expanding everything, it's not adding value to the map data. And the bot is probably more accurate than a human, limited only by the accuracy of the base TIGER data - think of all the possible typos on streeet, avenve, and boulavard. from what i gather, there is more than one expansion bot, and they're not all the same. at least, i saw some incorrectly expanded names in North-Central Iowa last year, and everyone involved in the bots that spoke up disclaimed knowledge of that particular example of bad expansions. so there are bots and there are bots, and i'd feel happer about them if i sensed more devotion to quality assurance. after all, if you don't expand automagically, you have unwanted abbreviations that may not get expanded for years if you do expand, you may introduce errors in place of abbreviations that may go undetected for years. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
