Re: [Talk-us] LA part of the map essentially is unusable
Charlotte Wolter wrote: > Got it. Thanks for the explanation. > So, how do I "load shapefiles into a separate layer"? I need > someone to walk me through it. How would I do that, if I wanted to > get things like street names (and the other TIGER data)? I'll post a how-to at the start of next week - the new version of P2 needs to be deployed on the servers, but once that's done it'll be easy. And yes, it'll include pulling through street names. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Re-LA-part-of-the-map-essentially-is-unusable-tp5717315p5717484.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup
I've been having a bit of fun remapping unclean areas based on cleanmap and remapping after the bot. It's a bit like the initial TIGER cleanup, but this time I feel extra pride at achieving even higher quality than in that effort years ago. (More experience, better tools, more familiarity with tools, better imagery, etc) I'll admit Columbus isn't as hard-hit as Los Angeles, but having the right attutude might help cleaning up SoCal seem less painful. And if you could use another armchair mapper in the effort, I'll try to bring my optimism with me. On Jul 19, 2012 9:21 PM, "Paul Norman" wrote: > > From: Toby Murray [mailto:toby.mur...@gmail.com] > > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup > > > > And this time to the list... (cures you, lack of reply-to!) > > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:16 AM, the Old Topo Depot > > wrote: > > > > > > Toby's post yesterday using the modified live edit bot osmZmiany seems > > > a good way to help focus on areas. Toby, do you think it possible to > > > serialize the state of the edits as you displayed yesterday so that > > > they could be used as a zoomable reference to areas potentially > > needing review ? > > > > Ehh... not sure OSMZmiany is the best tool for this. Once you get a lot > > of nodes loaded in, it takes up a few hundred MB of RAM and performs > > like crap. Like 5 seconds to zoom/pan. However I do have an idea or two > > to make something that would work better. I will have to tinker with it > > tonight and see if it is practical. > > I can build a .osc file that represents all the bot changes to a given > square (e.g. LA) > It'll take a bit of coding so I might not get it done today, but it > shouldn't be too hard. > > > > > > I'm also wondering if a routing regression suite exists anywhere that > > > could be used to help identify broken interstates and other major > > > ways, as the tagging changes and 2 node bridges that were likely > > > deleted will take time to identify. > > > > There was something like this back when the TIGER import was new to help > > people connect major highways across county lines. Does anyone know the > > technical details or if it would be practical to bring back? > > It is documented here: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TIGER_fixup/250_cities/routing_grid > > I think it's practical, I've given some thought to doing this. Maybe query > one of the routing services to build it. > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup
David ``Smith'' wrote: > I've been having a bit of fun remapping unclean areas based on cleanmap > and > remapping after the bot. It's a bit like the initial TIGER cleanup, but > this time I feel extra pride at achieving even higher quality than in that > effort years ago. (More experience, better tools, more familiarity with > tools, better imagery, etc) I'll admit Columbus isn't as hard-hit as Los > Angeles, but having the right attutude might help cleaning up SoCal seem > less painful. And if you could use another armchair mapper in the effort, > I'll try to bring my optimism with me. Count me in too! Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Post bot cleanup
* Mike N [2012-07-19 17:01 -0400]: > FYI in South Carolina, I'm volunteering to clean up the > northwestern part of the state because I have some local knowledge. Cool. I've just finished looking over I-20 and repairing all the roads that were split to make bridges over it. I mostly left them classified highway=residential; I'd prefer to leave road classification to someone more familiar with the area. I plan to start cleaning up I-95 next; it looks like it's got big chunks missing, among other problems. -- ...computer contrarian of the first order... / http://aperiodic.net/phil/ PGP: 026A27F2 print: D200 5BDB FC4B B24A 9248 9F7A 4322 2D22 026A 27F2 --- -- For every meme, there is a Cafe Press shop, where you can buy t-shirts, mugs, and thongs. -- Xeni Jardin --- -- ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Post bot cleanup
On 7/19/2012 4:22 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Another thing I find is a lot of leftover stray nodes without any tags. I select them in JOSM with type:node tags:0 -child and delete them in one fell swoop. In many cases, I find it easier to retrieve and plop the TIGER road back in as a replacement and stitch the intersections, rather than connect-the-dots. I figure that someone will run a global orphan node deletion bot some day. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Some observations and motivation
I know that this probably isn't the best forum for what I'm about to write, but I feel this should be heard by a wide audience. And yes, this is on- topic. - What is OpenStreetMap? Well, the way I see it, OSM is a community. A community of volunteers, drawn together by the common goal of making this the best map in the world. Sometimes, we disagree on things. Whether it's tagging or policy, we work through this on a daily basis. You see, I come from a free software world. Not unlike this project. I believe that if you see something wrong, you fix it yourself. You don't complain about issues. You come up with solutions. I don't claim to be the best mapper. Or the best at anything I do. But I give my best to OSM. I think very highly of this project, and I dedicate much of my own time to improve it. With that said, there are problems that this project is currently facing. I would definitely recommend OpenStreetMap to anyone with an interest in mapping, and a sense of community. Sadly, though, I just feel that I can't recommend OSM, especially in its current state, to say, my non- technical mother. However, instead of assigning blame, I see this as a call to action. OSM isn't striving to be the best. It is the best. Not because it's the most complete, or the most usable, not even because it's free. No. OpenStreetMap is the best map in the world because it is built on the ideals of community. Community involvement drives this project. We would have nothing without this community. It's the best because it's ours. So, let's stop bickering, and make it even better. Alexander ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Some observations and motivation
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Alexander Jones wrote: [ many nice words ] > So, let's stop bickering, and make it even better. Let's shall. :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Burbank, LA and beyond
Hi all, I've done some random cleanup in parts of LA. Or Burbank of whatever. I'm not expert enough to recognize the sub-regional details of the greater LA area. :-) When a community member calls for help, there are many of us who like to help. In this case, I'd like some more help to let me help, if that makes sense? Here's the thing, I can un-knot older data and I can reconcile TIGER / Aerial / old data, but I don't know where best to apply my time. What I _think_ is effective, is to tackle "the main arterials first" to divide an area into smaller chunks. And / or to fix the worst / most-confusing stuff first. Then other mappers can grab the smaller / simpler chunks and tackle them. I dove into a mostly random area that might be Burbank, and found that portions of West Chandler Boulevard were missing, and I've fixed that. I've also reconnected intersections, re-aligned and named where un-named from TIGER11. Hopefully that will make it easier for more of us to grab smaller adjoining areas and fix them as well. A question though, for local experts, what are some other high value, badly needing help, streets should I go after? Could you list three or four things others could do to help locally, that would allow you to carry on yourself? I think this divide and fix approach should work in most areas. So, where are you and what can we help you with, that will help your local folks get back on your feet? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Some observations and motivation
Hey Alexander, On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Alexander Jones wrote: > I know that this probably isn't the best forum for what I'm about to write, > but I feel this should be heard by a wide audience. And yes, this is on- > topic. > [...] > > So, let's stop bickering, and make it even better. > I don't think there is a wrong place to say these things. One of the challenges of OpenStreetMap is that there is so many communication channels: forum, IRC, mailing lists (many of them), wiki talk pages, groups on third party web sites. It can be hard to figure out which to use for which question or message. I'm often not sure myself, and I have been with OSM since 2007. Another challenge is that there are dozens if not hundreds of useful tools to work with, visualize, analyze, convert and edit OSM data. Most of these are geared towards users with some degree of technology savvy. There is no lack of attempts to develop simpler tools in order to reach a much wider audience, both on the contributor and the third party developer side of things. Some of these attempts come from inside the community (see Richard Fairhursts new iD editor[1] for example). Some come from commercial third parties building a business model around OSM: Cloudmade with MapZen and various developer tools, MapQuest with various data and developer tools and services, and most recently DevelopmentSeed with TileMill, MapBox and their work possibly coming out of a Knight Foundation grant[2] (not awarded yet). What I'm saying is: there is a lot of positive energy in and around OpenStreetMap, and there are a lot of projects that could use your (and all of our) help. If you're not a developer, there's also lots of rewarding work beyond mapping for you. Help clean up and reorganize the wiki. Help improve www.openstreetmap.us. Volunteer to help out at the upcoming State Of The Map (US) conference. In any case: don't let yourself be distracted by the occasional round of bickering. It happens, and if you DNFTT, it will die down pretty quickly. Happy mapping, Martijn [1] http://opengeodata.org/building-a-friendly-editor-for-openstreetmap [2] http://newschallenge1.tumblr.com/post/19450699629/new-contribution-tools-for-openstreetmap -- martijn van exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA part of the map essentially is unusable
Richard, Terrific! Thanks. Charlotte At 01:49 AM 7/20/2012, you wrote: Charlotte Wolter wrote: > Got it. Thanks for the explanation. > So, how do I "load shapefiles into a separate layer"? I need > someone to walk me through it. How would I do that, if I wanted to > get things like street names (and the other TIGER data)? I'll post a how-to at the start of next week - the new version of P2 needs to be deployed on the servers, but once that's done it'll be easy. And yes, it'll include pulling through street names. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Re-LA-part-of-the-map-essentially-is-unusable-tp5717315p5717484.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Charlotte Wolter 927 18th Street Suite A Santa Monica, California 90403 +1-310-597-4040 techl...@techlady.com Skype: thetechlady The Four Internet Freedoms Freedom to visit any site on the Internet Freedom to access any content or service that is not illegal Freedom to attach any device that does not interfere with the network Freedom to know all the terms of a service, particularly any that would affect the first three freedoms. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA part of the map essentially is unusable
Charlotte Wolter schrieb: So, are you volunteering? Anyone else? Looks like people are stepping up anyhow. I'd more comfortable by fixing things "closer to home", i.e. in areas I actually know well enough personally. :) Good luck with your work there, and I hope this all doesn't end up being too frustrating in the long run! Robert Kaiser ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup
Paul Norman wrote > >> From: Toby Murray [mailto:toby.murray@] >> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup >> >> >> > I'm also wondering if a routing regression suite exists anywhere that >> > could be used to help identify broken interstates and other major >> > ways, as the tagging changes and 2 node bridges that were likely >> > deleted will take time to identify. >> >> There was something like this back when the TIGER import was new to help >> people connect major highways across county lines. Does anyone know the >> technical details or if it would be practical to bring back? >> It is documented here: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TIGER_fixup/250_cities/routing_grid > > I think it's practical, I've given some thought to doing this. Maybe query > one of the routing services to build it. > OK, I have had a first stab at it. http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/us_routing_grid.html It is only 25 cities so far, but if it turns out to be useful it can easily be extended to more cities. The big problem though is automatically figuring out if routes are broken or not and then colour them red or green accordingly. At the moment it doesn't do this at all. Anyone have some good ideas for this? The routing information is obtained from "Open Source Routing Machine", which is amazingly fast at calculating all of these long distance routes. OSRM updates its data daily, so I think the routing data is based on OSM data from yesterday. I.e. post redaction. If there is interest I could regenerate this routing grid daily too. Kai -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Re-Fwd-Re-Post-bot-cleanup-tp5717310p5717586.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup
Hey, On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Kai Krueger wrote: [..] > OK, I have had a first stab at it. > > http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/us_routing_grid.html > > It is only 25 cities so far, but if it turns out to be useful it can easily > be extended to more cities. > > The big problem though is automatically figuring out if routes are broken or > not and then colour them red or green accordingly. At the moment it doesn't > do this at all. > > Anyone have some good ideas for this? The 'easiest' way I see is to compare those results with the same calculation based on data from a week or a month old. Wherever the difference in time / distance is more than a certain threshold, say 5 or 10%, the route needs to be looked at. More elaborate method is to look at the spatial correlation between old and new route, and make a map showing the routes where new diverges from old more than a certain threshold. That said, I don't really know how ot do either offhand, but hope it helps anyway. Martijn -- martijn van exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup
I'm presuming that Kai's link is showing only current data. So what's needed is 1. A pre-redaction planet snapshot, loaded into a DB. 2. An installation of the OSRM that uses 1 for its calculations 3. Changes to Kai's work to look at both source, compute the deltas and color the results appropriately 4. Stuff I missed... Can we install these components on the OSM US server(s), or does anyone know if they're already available elsewhere ? On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Hey, > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Kai Krueger wrote: > [..] > > OK, I have had a first stab at it. > > > > http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/us_routing_grid.html > > > > It is only 25 cities so far, but if it turns out to be useful it can > easily > > be extended to more cities. > > > > The big problem though is automatically figuring out if routes are > broken or > > not and then colour them red or green accordingly. At the moment it > doesn't > > do this at all. > > > > Anyone have some good ideas for this? > > The 'easiest' way I see is to compare those results with the same > calculation based on data from a week or a month old. Wherever the > difference in time / distance is more than a certain threshold, say 5 > or 10%, the route needs to be looked at. > > More elaborate method is to look at the spatial correlation between > old and new route, and make a map showing the routes where new > diverges from old more than a certain threshold. > > That said, I don't really know how ot do either offhand, but hope it > helps anyway. > > Martijn > > -- > martijn van exel > http://oegeo.wordpress.com > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > -- John Novak 585-OLD-TOPOS (585-653-8676) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Map of bot node edits -- working on I 40
Hello, It was suggested that we tell the list which interstates we are working on to avoid conflicts. Toby's new tool just alerted me to issues on I-40 west of Flagstaff. Since I know that road well, I have started work on them. I also did a lot of work on I-40 from Gallup to Flagstaff, and that has fewer issues, so I'll do that next unless someone else is working on it. Also, we probably should communicate about the interstates using our OSM inboxes so we don't flood the list with stuff. I'm techlady. Charlotte At 11:57 PM 7/19/2012, you wrote: Alright... I got something running. http://ni.kwsn.net/~toby/OSM/maps/redaction.html It is a map that shows all nodes (but ONLY nodes) touched by the bot in the US and Canada. Actually I thought I was doing only the lower 48 but apparently Maperitive decided that I wanted more. I think it cuts off at about 67 degrees north. Red means a node was deleted, blue means it was modified. "Modified" could mean location change and/or tag changes. It only goes up to zoom 11 and that will probably be all. This is partially technical (I'm rendering tiles using Maperitive and pushing its limits already) and partially legal. This is not intended as a map to let you retrieve the location of deleted nodes by decliners. It is simply a guide to finding out where the bot had the most impact and to direct remapping efforts. Also, there will be no updates to this map. There isn't much to update once a node is deleted and redacted. So don't expect things to disappear as you remap. Anyway, Hope it helps a little. I have a couple of ideas for other layers too. I'll have to see what I can come up with this weekend. Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Charlotte Wolter 927 18th Street Suite A Santa Monica, California 90403 +1-310-597-4040 techl...@techlady.com Skype: thetechlady The Four Internet Freedoms Freedom to visit any site on the Internet Freedom to access any content or service that is not illegal Freedom to attach any device that does not interfere with the network Freedom to know all the terms of a service, particularly any that would affect the first three freedoms. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Map of bot node edits
Toby said: >Alright... I got something running. >http://ni.kwsn.net/~toby/OSM/maps/redaction.html Thanks, Toby! I would love to see it zoomed in a little more if you get around to it. I also wanted to share a strategy with everyone that I'm using for finding the ways that were edited by the redaction bot: Step 1) Subscribe to ITO OSM Mapper http://www.itoworld.com/static/openstreetmap_tools/osm_mapper.html (it's free and just takes a minute) Step 2) Set up an area or areas that you are interested in for viewing Step 3) View by sessions to help you find the OSMF Redaction Account User, and click on that user Step 4) Export to KML Step 5) Use your method of choice to convert this KML to OSM ( I brought it into QuantumGIS, then merged a few files together before saving out as a shapefile. Then I used ogr-to-osm to create the .osm file ) Step 6) Use the .osm file as a diff in JOSM/your editor of choice to check each way one-by-one. Delete as you go. I hope some of you find this useful! This is what my coworker and I will be using for the larger Portland, OR area, though we've already found & fixed some problems in the meantime. My best, Mele Sax-Barnett TriMet GIS - OpenStreetMap Improvement Project http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mele%20Sax-Barnett twitter @pdxmele ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Routing tests
I think this topic deserves its own thread. On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Kai Krueger wrote: > > OK, I have had a first stab at it. > > http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/us_routing_grid.html > > It is only 25 cities so far, but if it turns out to be useful it can easily > be extended to more cities. > > The big problem though is automatically figuring out if routes are broken or > not and then colour them red or green accordingly. At the moment it doesn't > do this at all. > > Anyone have some good ideas for this? > > The routing information is obtained from "Open Source Routing Machine", > which is amazingly fast at calculating all of these long distance routes. > OSRM updates its data daily, so I think the routing data is based on OSM > data from yesterday. I.e. post redaction. If there is interest I could > regenerate this routing grid daily too. According to the wiki page, the old system used the as-the-crow-flies distance between two cities as a basis. If it was more than 50% longer, something is wrong. Not sure if that would still give appropriate results or not though... There may be enough connectedness now on secondary roads that the distance isn't off by quite that much any more even with routing problems. I just did a route on OSRM from NY to LA and it came out to just under 3,000 miles which seems about right but there are some obvious routing errors. For example it gets off of I-70 and goes through town in Saint Clairsville, Ohio but it is about the same distance so things like this won't show up in the grid. H Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Routing tests
It may appropriate to consider several metrics, but I also think it important to get a first version running. Another way of saying this is iterate and add refinements over time. Metrics to consider (pre vs post redaction) in roughly order of complexity: 1. Distance of route (using segment lengths, not end point to end point) 2. Number of ways/way segments traversed (rough but perhaps useful) 3. Actual route. For example, in the case of NY to LA, it is reasonable to expect that once the route enters a motorway at one end, it will stay on motorways or motorway_links until near the endpoint. It might be appropriate to run both directions and use the first entry into a motorway at either end as the "near the endpoint" locations. This might be computed using pre-redaction data. 4. Over time, as fixes are applied, tighten difference checks to finer precision results. On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Toby Murray wrote: > I think this topic deserves its own thread. > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Kai Krueger wrote: > > > > OK, I have had a first stab at it. > > > > http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/us_routing_grid.html > > > > It is only 25 cities so far, but if it turns out to be useful it can > easily > > be extended to more cities. > > > > The big problem though is automatically figuring out if routes are > broken or > > not and then colour them red or green accordingly. At the moment it > doesn't > > do this at all. > > > > Anyone have some good ideas for this? > > > > The routing information is obtained from "Open Source Routing Machine", > > which is amazingly fast at calculating all of these long distance routes. > > OSRM updates its data daily, so I think the routing data is based on OSM > > data from yesterday. I.e. post redaction. If there is interest I could > > regenerate this routing grid daily too. > > > According to the wiki page, the old system used the as-the-crow-flies > distance between two cities as a basis. If it was more than 50% > longer, something is wrong. Not sure if that would still give > appropriate results or not though... There may be enough connectedness > now on secondary roads that the distance isn't off by quite that much > any more even with routing problems. I just did a route on OSRM from > NY to LA and it came out to just under 3,000 miles which seems about > right but there are some obvious routing errors. For example it gets > off of I-70 and goes through town in Saint Clairsville, Ohio but it is > about the same distance so things like this won't show up in the grid. > H > > Toby > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > -- John Novak 585-OLD-TOPOS (585-653-8676) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Starting OSM Trail Map Initiative In US
Hi all, I am starting the process of pulling together a group to focus on updating and expanding trail data in OSM. The initial focus would be in the US but we are hoping the model could expand to other areas as well. Initially the project would have two main focus areas – - Focused effort to gather public domain trail data and use it to update existing trail data in OSM through hybrid editing \ bulk upload methodology. - Build a custom version of Potlatch focused on trail mapping - Building trail mapping communities in the US. Here is where things get a little different than other similar efforts – I want much of the work to be done by paid interns and I want to fund it initially through Kickstarter and later though donations. I’d be interested to hear anyones thoughts, concerns, etc, and of course would love to know if anyone is interested in participating. Thanks. Fred ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: [ ... ] > OK, I have had a first stab at it. > > http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/us_routing_grid.html > > It is only 25 cities so far, but if it turns out to be useful it can easily > be extended to more cities. > > The big problem though is automatically figuring out if routes are broken or > not and then colour them red or green accordingly. At the moment it doesn't > do this at all. > > Anyone have some good ideas for this? Count the number of "turns of 45 degree heading or more"? Check the high-turn-count routes first? I dunno. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] OSM is pretty
I was just randomly browsing the map and happened upon the Epcot center: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.373&lon=-81.5483&zoom=17&layers=M That's one pretty looking map! -- martijn van exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM is pretty
On 7/20/2012 4:46 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: I was just randomly browsing the map and happened upon the Epcot center: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.373&lon=-81.5483&zoom=17&layers=M That's one pretty looking map! Agreed! I made use of it just a few weeks ago. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA part of the map essentially is unusable
so i have been running around the los angles area trying to rebuild the map. and i have found the area in orange county along the 405 before i-5 is completely gone. i would say the map has been reverted to its state about 3 years ago. anyone looking to map should start helping me out in that area. Kthnxbye... On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: > Charlotte Wolter schrieb: > >> So, are you volunteering? Anyone else? > > > Looks like people are stepping up anyhow. I'd more comfortable by fixing > things "closer to home", i.e. in areas I actually know well enough > personally. :) > > Good luck with your work there, and I hope this all doesn't end up being too > frustrating in the long run! > > > Robert Kaiser > > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Starting OSM Trail Map Initiative In US
Fred, I think it is a great idea to focus on trails. In my opinion, this would be a great use of OSM. In my area OSM already has data that in many cases is better than publicly available data. Best way to get this data is to turn on the GPS and go for a hike or bike ride. One area we could work on is improving tagging. In many cases the only tag is "highway=path" Has anyone tried to work with local hiking/mountain clubs on mapping trails? Mike On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Fred Gifford wrote: > Hi all, > > I am starting the process of pulling together a group to focus on updating > and expanding trail data in OSM. The initial focus would be in the US > but we are hoping the model could expand to other areas as well. > > Initially the project would have two main focus areas – > - Focused effort to gather public domain trail data and use it to > update existing trail data in OSM through hybrid editing \ bulk upload > methodology. > - Build a custom version of Potlatch focused on trail mapping > - Building trail mapping communities in the US. > > Here is where things get a little different than other similar efforts > – I want much of the work to be done by paid interns and I want to > fund it initially through Kickstarter and later though donations. > > I’d be interested to hear anyones thoughts, concerns, etc, and of > course would love to know if anyone is interested in participating. > > Thanks. > > Fred > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Starting OSM Trail Map Initiative In US
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Fred Gifford wrote: > Hi all, > > Initially the project would have two main focus areas – > - Focused effort to gather public domain trail data and use it to > update existing trail data in OSM through hybrid editing \ bulk upload > methodology. > please no bulk upload. public data isn't always up to date and really needs a review. if a trail is missing it's not a big deal when you have an additional option. But if you plan a long hike and a trail is no passable anymore it can be really dangerous. And special tags have to be verified on the ground. There is no way to do that as an armchair mapper. essentially quality is more important than quantity. Here is where things get a little different than other similar efforts > – I want much of the work to be done by paid interns and I want to > fund it initially through Kickstarter and later though donations. > > I recommend to search in the archives of t...@openstreetmap.org about opinions and experience with paid mapping. It's not very positive. > I’d be interested to hear anyones thoughts, concerns, etc, and of > course would love to know if anyone is interested in participating. > > I think it's important to get more people interested. especially from other outdoor related groups like Sierra club and other mountaineering clubs, geocacher. mountain biker ... These people understand the requirements. A paid intern with no hiking experience is of little use. > Thanks. > > Fred > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Starting OSM Trail Map Initiative In US
Fred Gifford writes: > I am starting the process of pulling together a group to focus on updating > and expanding trail data in OSM. The initial focus would be in the US > but we are hoping the model could expand to other areas as well. You should first assess how things are; OSM trail data is generally better than most other maps . > Initially the project would have two main focus areas – > - Focused effort to gather public domain trail data and use it to > update existing trail data in OSM through hybrid editing \ bulk upload > methodology. I am skeptical. I am in Massachusetts, which has good public state GIS data, and there doesn't seem to be trail data. I think these data sources should be used with human guidance. > - Build a custom version of Potlatch focused on trail mapping I really don't get this comment - what are you trying to do that is currently awkward? I use JOSM for editing trails (to avoid bad karma From nonportable and proprietary Flash), but I don't find trails to be particularly special in terms of editor support. Put another way, what do editors do or not do about trails that you want to change? > - Building trail mapping communities in the US. Indeed, that is the key point. You might consider sending interns to give presentations at conversation groups, etc. But that sounds a little like Community Ambassadors :-) > Here is where things get a little different than other similar efforts > – I want much of the work to be done by paid interns and I want to > fund it initially through Kickstarter and later though donations. It's really hard to tell what your primary goals are and what decisions are driven by those goals pgpzHqsM5Ji75.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Starting OSM Trail Map Initiative In US
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: > > Has anyone tried to work with local hiking/mountain clubs on mapping > trails? > > I know one guy from the sierra club. He is organizing hikes for the club year round and turns them into mapping parties for anyone interested. They go for a drink after the hike and he will show how to record tracks and add them to osm. It's mostly bay area and nearby. ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Tracking Interstate Work Progress on OSM Wiki
What do folks on the list think of using a page such as http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:JohnANovak/Interstates to track progress on Interstates (and similarly for other major road classes as well) -- John Novak 585-OLD-TOPOS (585-653-8676) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tracking Interstate Work Progress on OSM Wiki
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:44 PM, the Old Topo Depot wrote: > What do folks on the list think of using a page such as > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:JohnANovak/Interstates > > to track progress on Interstates (and similarly for other major road > classes as well) > Not bad. I've been tracking relations I've started on relevant locale pages, such as http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Oklahoma and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portland. I wonder if there's a way to make a template that can be centrally maintained for consistency for these tables. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [Rebuild] Moving/Deleting Roads
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:39 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: > yes, most of the OC is a cluster %^$#. i gave up because it was too > overwhelming. "Take smaller bites." :-) Rome (New York) wasn't mapped in a day. :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Starting OSM Trail Map Initiative In US
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > Fred Gifford writes: [ ... ] >> - Building trail mapping communities in the US. > > Indeed, that is the key point. I think this is the best way to success. You could even leave out the "trail" and it will have a positive effect on your trails. If you inspire a new mapper to add parking lots and water fountains, some of those may intersect with the interests of your trail users. I can't think of a good substitute for a motivated local mapper. Daniel Begin said this recently on talk-ca: "You'll find that there is nothing better than an active community to find odd features in authoritative data!" Daniel knows of what he speaks, he works at the Canadian National Mapping Agency and has been participating in OSM for several years. He publishes authoritative data collected by paid professionals, with what I presume is top notch equipment. And the OSM community of enthusiastic amateurs finds and fixes odd features and errors. I don't think that you can get that nearly obsessive attention to detail across a large area. It takes a _personal_ interest in the data. I think of that area of obsessive interest and perhaps encyclopaedic knowledge as the natural range of a mapper. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Starting OSM Trail Map Initiative In US
> please no bulk upload. public data isn't always up to date and really needs > a review. if a trail is missing it's not a big deal when you have an > additional option. But if you plan a long hike and a trail is no passable > anymore it can be really dangerous. +1 >And special tags have to be verified on > the ground. There is no way to do that as an armchair mapper. essentially > quality is more important than quantity. Agreed! Didn't mean to imply that armchair mappers could/should be doing this, although I realize I wasn't clear.If we are going to work on improving trail data by building the community, working with hiking/biking/etc groups, improving tools (not sure if this is needed), then I recommend that tagging be at least a small part of the focus. As already observed, in many cases the trail geometry in OSM is already better than any other source. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Starting OSM Trail Map Initiative In US
> - Focused effort to gather public domain trail data and use it to > update existing trail data in OSM through hybrid editing \ bulk upload > methodology. Just and idea for the community's consideration: as an avid trail user and mapper, the one type of bulk upload that would interest me would be the balance of the NHD data. It appears that this has not been completed. I am too busy hiking trails gathering GPS traces to do this myself, and I am not sure I want to venture into "bulk upload land." Mike ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup
Martijn van Exel-3 wrote > >> >> The big problem though is automatically figuring out if routes are broken >> or >> not and then colour them red or green accordingly. At the moment it >> doesn't >> do this at all. >> >> Anyone have some good ideas for this? > > The 'easiest' way I see is to compare those results with the same > calculation based on data from a week or a month old. Wherever the > difference in time / distance is more than a certain threshold, say 5 > or 10%, the route needs to be looked at. > OK, I have done something similar now, just that I used google calculated routes as a reference. Those routes that are more than 5% longer either in distance or time are flagged as red, others are green. This isn't perfect, but at least it gives a good first indication of which routes are broken and hopefully as people continue fixing the interstate system more and more routes will turn green. The updated version is at the same URL as before ( http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/us_routing_grid.html ) Kai -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Re-Fwd-Re-Post-bot-cleanup-tp5717310p5717675.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup
Very nice Kai. However, I'd like to suggest a few more cities that might be of use for that. Pittsburgh Cleveland Las Vegas Toronto, Ontario (mainly because you added Winnipeg) -James > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:28:16 -0700 > From: kakrue...@gmail.com > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup > > > Martijn van Exel-3 wrote > > > >> > >> The big problem though is automatically figuring out if routes are broken > >> or > >> not and then colour them red or green accordingly. At the moment it > >> doesn't > >> do this at all. > >> > >> Anyone have some good ideas for this? > > > > The 'easiest' way I see is to compare those results with the same > > calculation based on data from a week or a month old. Wherever the > > difference in time / distance is more than a certain threshold, say 5 > > or 10%, the route needs to be looked at. > > > > OK, I have done something similar now, just that I used google calculated > routes as a reference. Those routes that are more than 5% longer either in > distance or time are flagged as red, others are green. > > This isn't perfect, but at least it gives a good first indication of which > routes are broken and hopefully as people continue fixing the interstate > system more and more routes will turn green. > > The updated version is at the same URL as before ( > http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/us_routing_grid.html ) > > Kai > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Re-Fwd-Re-Post-bot-cleanup-tp5717310p5717675.html > Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup
Most Excellent, and perhaps we should move this to Toby's routing thread ;-) On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:37 PM, James Mast wrote: > Very nice Kai. However, I'd like to suggest a few more cities that > might be of use for that. > > Pittsburgh > Cleveland > Las Vegas > Toronto, Ontario (mainly because you added Winnipeg) > > -James > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:28:16 -0700 > > From: kakrue...@gmail.com > > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > > > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup > > > > > > Martijn van Exel-3 wrote > > > > > >> > > >> The big problem though is automatically figuring out if routes are > broken > > >> or > > >> not and then colour them red or green accordingly. At the moment it > > >> doesn't > > >> do this at all. > > >> > > >> Anyone have some good ideas for this? > > > > > > The 'easiest' way I see is to compare those results with the same > > > calculation based on data from a week or a month old. Wherever the > > > difference in time / distance is more than a certain threshold, say 5 > > > or 10%, the route needs to be looked at. > > > > > > > OK, I have done something similar now, just that I used google calculated > > routes as a reference. Those routes that are more than 5% longer either > in > > distance or time are flagged as red, others are green. > > > > This isn't perfect, but at least it gives a good first indication of > which > > routes are broken and hopefully as people continue fixing the interstate > > system more and more routes will turn green. > > > > The updated version is at the same URL as before ( > > http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/us_routing_grid.html ) > > > > Kai > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Re-Fwd-Re-Post-bot-cleanup-tp5717310p5717675.html > > Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > ___ > > Talk-us mailing list > > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > -- John Novak 585-OLD-TOPOS (585-653-8676) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Map of bot node edits
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Sax-Barnett, Melelani wrote: > Toby said: > >>Alright... I got something running. > >>http://ni.kwsn.net/~toby/OSM/maps/redaction.html > > Thanks, Toby! I would love to see it zoomed in a little more if you get > around to it. Today I added zoom 12. I could in theory do even more in selected areas. Although It looks like Frederik is looking at adding something similar to OSM Inspector so I probably won't mess with it too much more. Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
