Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification
Thanks for the heads up. While he hasn't done anything in the Pgh area, I did notice this one section of US-19 in WV he upgraded from Trunk to Motorway in Changeset 12698753. (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12698753) I've traveled US-19 between I-79 and I-77/I-64 over 50 times in my life. There is no way that small section is a motorway. So, I've already downgraded it back to trunk to match the sections on each side of it. -James Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:26:27 -0500 From: toby.mur...@gmail.com To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification I just noticed user SimMoonXP ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimMoonXP ) reclassifying a few isolated stretches of KS highway 7 in the Kansas City area. I sent a message asking why and he indicated that he was reclassifying anything with a separated grade intersection as motorway, even if it was only for a short stretch. For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.117lon=-94.8924zoom=14layers=M I know there is some disagreement about road classification, especially when it comes to trunk but I'm pretty sure most people would agree that this is incorrect. Thoughts? Unfortunately I think this user has been making such changes across the US. You might want to check your area. I will likely revert the changes in the KC area. Does anything else need to be looked at? Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed user SimMoonXP ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimMoonXP ) reclassifying a few isolated stretches of KS highway 7 in the Kansas City area. I sent a message asking why and he indicated that he was reclassifying anything with a separated grade intersection as motorway, even if it was only for a short stretch. For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.117lon=-94.8924zoom=14layers=M I know there is some disagreement about road classification, especially when it comes to trunk but I'm pretty sure most people would agree that this is incorrect. Thoughts? This is definitely a trunk where it's tagged motorway. The road appears to be limited access, though features some surface level intersections, making it ripe for trunk (the other motorway is really a trunk instance I consider pretty clearly as trunk is a super two or undivided highway with no surface junctions, only ramps, such as the Chickasaw Turnpike in Oklahoma. Unfortunately I think this user has been making such changes across the US. Argh...everybody's heard my opinion on very large scale tag torquing already... ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I know there is some disagreement about road classification, especially when it comes to trunk but I'm pretty sure most people would agree that this is incorrect. Thoughts? I've been told you should use highway=trunk, expressway=yes for this. Not sure of the validity or widespread use of the tag. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I know there is some disagreement about road classification, especially when it comes to trunk but I'm pretty sure most people would agree that this is incorrect. Thoughts? I've been told you should use highway=trunk, expressway=yes for this. Not sure of the validity or widespread use of the tag. The trunk part, yes. The expressway part, I don't see anything outright wrong with it, but don't see a whole lot of value, either, as the term is loaded. Oklahoma, for example, calls both freeways and expressways as expressway (such as the War Veteran's Expressway south of Tulsa or the MLK Expressway in Tulsa), New Jersey and Delaware seem to only call toll roads expressways (even though they're toll motorways). Likewise, undivided freeways and divided expressways are obviously differentiated by the number of roadways and whether or not there's intersections with something other than a link. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I know there is some disagreement about road classification, especially when it comes to trunk but I'm pretty sure most people would agree that this is incorrect. Thoughts? I've been told you should use highway=trunk, expressway=yes for this. Not sure of the validity or widespread use of the tag. The trunk part, yes. The expressway part, I don't see anything outright wrong with it, but don't see a whole lot of value, either, as the term is loaded. Oklahoma, for example, calls both freeways and expressways as expressway (such as the War Veteran's Expressway south of Tulsa or the MLK Expressway in Tulsa), New Jersey and Delaware seem to only call toll roads expressways (even though they're toll motorways). Likewise, undivided freeways and divided expressways are obviously differentiated by the number of roadways and whether or not there's intersections with something other than a link. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/expressway expressway=yes, seems to be a fringe tag at best. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification
Richard Weait wrote: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/expressway expressway=yes, seems to be a fringe tag at best. I believe our German friends use motorroad=yes for this. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Another-random-road-reclassification-tp5720723p5720800.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Richard Weait wrote: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/expressway expressway=yes, seems to be a fringe tag at best. I believe our German friends use motorroad=yes for this. Not quite. American expressways sometimes, but not always, have driveways, tracks and service roads connecting, German motorroads don't. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification
Paul Johnson wrote: Not quite. American expressways sometimes, but not always, have driveways, tracks and service roads connecting, German motorroads don't. Oh, sure. But you don't need me to tell you that slight national variations in the exact meaning of OSM highway tagging are nothing new. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Another-random-road-reclassification-tp5720723p5720804.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed user SimMoonXP ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimMoonXP ) reclassifying a few isolated stretches of KS highway 7 in the Kansas City area. I sent a message asking why and he indicated that he was reclassifying anything with a separated grade intersection as motorway, even if it was only for a short stretch. For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.117lon=-94.8924zoom=14layers=M I know there is some disagreement about road classification, especially when it comes to trunk but I'm pretty sure most people would agree that this is incorrect. Thoughts? Unfortunately I think this user has been making such changes across the US. You might want to check your area. I will likely revert the changes in the KC area. Does anything else need to be looked at? I see NE2 has gone ahead and reverted these reclassifications: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12745912 Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
