Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion
Hi Serge, I don't see a license related to this data, only a copyright notice on the page. Is there a separate license somewhere that says this data is usable? Like the federal goverment, maps are considered part of the public record in Mass, and therefor are in the public domain (no copyright). No license is needed for the data. OSM has already confirmed this directly with the MassGIS people. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS Since it is likely that next year we will be importing this data into OSM to support addresses, I figured it would be useful to convert the files to OSM format and share them. What is the script you're plannng to use for conversion? What is your mapping scheme? What is your plan regarding conflation with existing data? What is your plan regarding updates? - I will put up my ugly little script shortly. - schema, building = yes - conflation, don't import a building that overlaps with an existing building in OSM. I was thinking that this was a precursory step for the import. I don't have the time right now to lead an import myself. Regardless of who actually does it, I think getting a lot of eyes on the data is the best starting point for whatever happens next. Thanks Jason. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] MapRoulette Update
Hi All, I've been migrating the error calculation that feeds the current MapRoulette challenge to new hardware, and that migration is now complete. I have increased the error recalculation frequency to 4 hours, so the MR data will be much fresher. The error calculation also now includes Canada and Mexico (not included in the current MR challenge), but we can setup country specific challenges if there is interest in helping to clean up these areas. If you've stopped checking MR (as the error count went to zero yesterday due to conversion problems), please revisit as it is now at about 5,200. The URL is http://maproulette.org Best, -- John Novak 585-OLD-TOPOS (585-653-8676) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion
Hi Jason, If the MassGIS building/address objects have MassGIS IDs are you planning to preserve them in the OSM DB ? Best, On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Serge, I don't see a license related to this data, only a copyright notice on the page. Is there a separate license somewhere that says this data is usable? Like the federal goverment, maps are considered part of the public record in Mass, and therefor are in the public domain (no copyright). No license is needed for the data. OSM has already confirmed this directly with the MassGIS people. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS Since it is likely that next year we will be importing this data into OSM to support addresses, I figured it would be useful to convert the files to OSM format and share them. What is the script you're plannng to use for conversion? What is your mapping scheme? What is your plan regarding conflation with existing data? What is your plan regarding updates? - I will put up my ugly little script shortly. - schema, building = yes - conflation, don't import a building that overlaps with an existing building in OSM. I was thinking that this was a precursory step for the import. I don't have the time right now to lead an import myself. Regardless of who actually does it, I think getting a lot of eyes on the data is the best starting point for whatever happens next. Thanks Jason. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John Novak 585-OLD-TOPOS (585-653-8676) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion
Hi Jason - Great to hear about the import. Sounds like some interesting data! Have you taken a look through the import checklist at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines? I've recently made some updates would love to have you walk through those steps to QA them. Also - it looks like there's already a MASSGIS import listed in the Import Catalog at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue. That project is found at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS, but I didn't see your name on that page, so it may be from a prior or older dataset import. If you follow the checklist, and set up a new import Wiki page, I think you'll end up answering most (if not all) of Serge's questions and we'll have (a) some good feedback on the import processes, and (b) an easier-to-find record of your answers. This may seem like some excess overhead, but it will help ensure that we're taking full advantage of past knowledge helping others learn from your experiences. Thanks! Jeff On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everybody, Hi Jason! Last week the Massachusetts mapping department (MassGIS) released data for all of the buildings in the state. http://www.mass.gov/anf/research-and-tech/it-serv-and-support/application-serv/office-of-geographic-information-massgis/datalayers/structures.html I don't see a license related to this data, only a copyright notice on the page. Is there a separate license somewhere that says this data is usable? Since it is likely that next year we will be importing this data into OSM to support addresses, I figured it would be useful to convert the files to OSM format and share them. What is the script you're plannng to use for conversion? What is your mapping scheme? What is your plan regarding conflation with existing data? What is your plan regarding updates? - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Role of the Wiki
Hi Charlotte - Welcome thanks for speaking up - I believe many new members share your concerns those concerns should be addressed. I'm glad to see you've signed up for the Welcome Working Group. I'm not sure if the community is ready to implement your suggestions, as they are big big big : ), but I'm hopeful the WG will think of some ways to better serve the needs of newbies and then organize a plan to implement those methods. Looking forward to seeing what comes of it! Thanks, Jeff On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.comwrote: Martijn, ****Your reply illustrates what is wrong with with OSM's approach to giving members, especially new ones, the tools they need. ****The attitude that that information is there if you are willing to look for it is very flawed. Any organization that wants to be inclusive and to encourage others to participate needs to provide them with information that is definitive and easy to access. Otherwise, OSM runs the danger of being an exclusive club of insiders who know all the secrets, while everyone else is essentially left out of the party. ****Long-term, this will lead to OSM's demise. ****OSM needs to add a lot more people, if it is to meet its goal of making a feature-rich accurate map of the world. But the idea that a newer member should be willing to search through 10 to 12 information sources to find out how to map works completely counter to that goal. ****We need to create a Wiki that everyone can understand, use and reply on. ****I propose that we create a definitive wki, overseen by a working group. This would not mean that the wiki never would change. But it would enable a reliable, source of information for newcomers and, I believe, would greatly improve map quality. Charlotte Wolter X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 97.74.135.183 Delivered-To: techl...@techlady.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswBAGuuv1BZELOWlGdsb2JhbABEgmy7MQgWDgEBAQEJCwkJFAQjgh4BAQEEAQEBNwYBBQoeBAcBAgECAQIGAQYFCwMKHggIAwEdAQUBDAEFARwGEwUPh2oDDwEDCKNhjy2FWg2JTgEFDItCaQuENgOIX4IqhRqDMliBVoEcihuDMBYphDOBTA DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=6APdrewqDZZdLC2COWmiXxbtOSRGw63NurY1elHBvfo=; b=lST4mlqEBn+pAkhJag1xnpsZ1OAkX0Lv2LPCuL37JcwGtcCbPPrIDpaWQ/leEhGRaL 4XD/AB6fXFN4UbSI68Rh8QnAJG8TyOcaQeYwwXmSlM5VPw6ZgduXiY6b1miSA2AYVEDd mpKo3/1JPkE4E860JkpMqNXpboUnX7MG7Yme1RAmq0SROrBpt3kQm7bRu7CAdcNBwCfL j7x+JY9bLiVntNzthGdpg27PEzEAIbwbu0GdV+k3XJQ0LyXXH6HZd0NhcJDUVpHmShwT B1lFEVXZ56PebFnaPne+GF2+zjQi+9VuCSX1T5BT68QlVPMiZTGdXwEjZjyWy8talGf0 D4Bg== From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 13:31:09 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: P4ZS_exVjnbwoWPY7qx6us3fr34 To: Scott Rollins organ...@gmail.com Cc: OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List t...@openstreetmap.org, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org, OpenStreetMap US Talk talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Role of the Wiki X-BeenThere: talk-us@openstreetmap.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 List-Id: OpenStreetMap USA talk-us.openstreetmap.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/options/talk-us, mailto:talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org?subject=unsubscribetalk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us List-Post: mailto:talk-us@openstreetmap.org talk-us@openstreetmap.org List-Help: mailto:talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org?subject=helptalk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us, mailto:talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org?subject=subscribetalk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org?subject=subscribe No place to learn what to do? The wiki may be overwhelming, sometimes outdated and incorrect, or even a vehicle for personal opinions on tagging and whatnot, but there are definitely resources to help you get started. All OSM editors have useful presets for common features, you can't really go wrong with those. The Map Features page[1] describes widely used common tags. learnosm.org is there to guide you through first steps in OSM. And if you're looking for help or if you don't feel confident about your edits, there's these and other mailing lists, IRC, help.osm.org and forum.osm.org. OpenStreetMap US hosts regular Virtual Mappy Hours you can join from anywhere. There's Facebook, LinkedIn and Google+ pages where helpful members are always willing to answer questions. Some of these resources may require a little effort on your part, and they may not all be as well advertised or interconnected as they should be, but you have to realize that OpenStreetMap is eternally a work in progress, run entirely by volunteers who are working really hard to
Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion
Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Serge, I don't see a license related to this data, only a copyright notice on the page. Is there a separate license somewhere that says this data is usable? Like the federal goverment, maps are considered part of the public record in Mass, and therefor are in the public domain (no copyright). No license is needed for the data. OSM has already confirmed this directly with the MassGIS people. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS Since it is likely that next year we will be importing this data into OSM to support addresses, I figured it would be useful to convert the files to OSM format and share them. What is the script you're plannng to use for conversion? What is your mapping scheme? What is your plan regarding conflation with existing data? What is your plan regarding updates? - I will put up my ugly little script shortly. - schema, building = yes - conflation, don't import a building that overlaps with an existing building in OSM. I was thinking that this was a precursory step for the import. I don't have the time right now to lead an import myself. Regardless of who actually does it, I think getting a lot of eyes on the data is the best starting point for whatever happens next. Thanks Jason. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us If the maps are considered public domain, then why is there a copyright notice? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps now has proper state shields
I was just looking at their tiles tonight and they've updated them to include state shields!! Saw shields for PA, SC, MD, VA, WV, CA, and NY for starters. Maybe now we should all agree to use the proper state abbreviation for the ref tags on the ways instead of not having them at all (Florida), or just SR. -James ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps now has proper state shields
On Dec 9, 2012, at 7:37 PM, James Mast wrote: I was just looking at their tiles tonight and they've updated them to include state shields!! Saw shields for PA, SC, MD, VA, WV, CA, and NY for starters. Maybe now we should all agree to use the proper state abbreviation for the ref tags on the ways instead of not having them at all (Florida), or just SR. Cool! If anyone's curious, here's a shapefile with linework for all current (as of a few weeks ago) US route relations, generalized to appear at zoom 15. Coverage is great for US:I, US:US and US State routes, starts getting patchy down at the county level: http://benzene.openstreetmap.us/~migurski/US-Routes-2012-12-09.png -mike. michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/cahttp://mike.teczno.com/contact.html ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps now has proper state shields
On Dec 9, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: I was just looking at their tiles tonight and they've updated them to include state shields!! Saw shields for PA, SC, MD, VA, WV, CA, and NY for starters. Maybe now we should all agree to use the proper state abbreviation for the ref tags on the ways instead of not having them at all (Florida), or just SR. Cool! If anyone's curious, here's a shapefile with linework for all current (as of a few weeks ago) US route relations, generalized to appear at zoom 15. Coverage is great for US:I, US:US and US State routes, starts getting patchy down at the county level: http://benzene.openstreetmap.us/~migurski/US-Routes-2012-12-09.png …aaand the actual data: http://benzene.openstreetmap.us/~migurski/US-Routes-2012-12-09.zip -mike. michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/cahttp://mike.teczno.com/contact.html ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps now has proper state shields
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 9:37 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I was just looking at their tiles tonight and they've updated them to include state shields!! Saw shields for PA, SC, MD, VA, WV, CA, and NY for starters. Maybe now we should all agree to use the proper state abbreviation for the ref tags on the ways instead of not having them at all (Florida), or just SR. Interesting. Anyone know when this happened? Last time I looked I seem to recall generic square shields with any state abbreviations stripped out. I also don't see any change to their stylesheet on github. I'm mostly curious if they switched to route relations or if they are still going off of the ref tag on ways. Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps now has proper state shields
On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:21 PM, Toby Murray wrote: On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 9:37 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I was just looking at their tiles tonight and they've updated them to include state shields!! Saw shields for PA, SC, MD, VA, WV, CA, and NY for starters. Maybe now we should all agree to use the proper state abbreviation for the ref tags on the ways instead of not having them at all (Florida), or just SR. Interesting. Anyone know when this happened? Last time I looked I seem to recall generic square shields with any state abbreviations stripped out. I also don't see any change to their stylesheet on github. I'm mostly curious if they switched to route relations or if they are still going off of the ref tag on ways. I would guess ref tags, based on the two mismatched 24’s here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.82443lon=-122.26695zoom=15layers=Q Likely due to inconsistent refs on ways like these: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/28183735 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/6348404 -mike. michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/cahttp://mike.teczno.com/contact.html ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion
Hi John, I am not signing up for the import! I might have time next summer, but not right now. But, in general, I don't think the MassGIS ID's should be included since they are just the center of mass of the buildings, and there is no indication that they will be preserving them as they update the data set. Even if they did preserve them, it is not really useful to OSM because we already have a ton of hand drawn buildings in the state that will need to get managed in any future updates. So, right now, the only tag in the data is building=yes. Thanks Jason. On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM, the Old Topo Depot oldto...@novacell.comwrote: Hi Jason, If the MassGIS building/address objects have MassGIS IDs are you planning to preserve them in the OSM DB ? Best, On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Serge, I don't see a license related to this data, only a copyright notice on the page. Is there a separate license somewhere that says this data is usable? Like the federal goverment, maps are considered part of the public record in Mass, and therefor are in the public domain (no copyright). No license is needed for the data. OSM has already confirmed this directly with the MassGIS people. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS Since it is likely that next year we will be importing this data into OSM to support addresses, I figured it would be useful to convert the files to OSM format and share them. What is the script you're plannng to use for conversion? What is your mapping scheme? What is your plan regarding conflation with existing data? What is your plan regarding updates? - I will put up my ugly little script shortly. - schema, building = yes - conflation, don't import a building that overlaps with an existing building in OSM. I was thinking that this was a precursory step for the import. I don't have the time right now to lead an import myself. Regardless of who actually does it, I think getting a lot of eyes on the data is the best starting point for whatever happens next. Thanks Jason. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John Novak 585-OLD-TOPOS (585-653-8676) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Wrangell, AK streets
I've run into a bit of a wrinkle plotting the routes of the Alaska Marine Highway System. The street data for Wrangell, AK seems to have been horribly mangled. - David E. Nelson___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Wrangell, AK streets
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 8:59 PM, David E. Nelson denelso...@yahoo.ca wrote: I've run into a bit of a wrinkle plotting the routes of the Alaska Marine Highway System. The street data for Wrangell, AK seems to have been horribly mangled. When pointing out a place on the mailing lists, it is always useful to include a permalink. I assume you are talking about this area? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.4782lon=-132.3743zoom=14layers=M I see no mangling of OSM data here, just unedited TIGER roads. This is particularly terrible TIGER data though. Some roads are off by over 300 meters. Since there are only a handful of ways that have been touched by a human, I could do a complete reimport of the city from 2012 TIGER data. The 2012 data seems to have an offset of less than 10 meters compared to Bing and for all I know, that might be Bing's fault. Either way it would be a massive improvement. Thoughts? Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Proposed Welcome Working Group meeting (was: Role of the Wiki)
Hi all, Let me bump this topic - the Welcome Working Group as originally proposed and kicked off by Richard Weait (proposal here[1], initial meeting IRC log here[2]) will meet again this coming week. Welcome Working Group? Yes. In very broad strokes, this WG will look at how we can do a better job of courting / retaining mappers who sign up and never edit or edit only once, never to be heard of again. These folks have shown an active interest in the project and yet we somehow don't manage to make sense to them. That's a real shame and we think there may be ways to do something about this. I am proposing some time slots that should work for N-America and Europe. If you're interested to join this important discussion, please indicate your availability before 1900 UTC tomorrow by following this link. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d Based on the responses I will then determine the best time to meet. You can then still decide to join of course. Martijn [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rw/Proposal:Welcome_Working_Group [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rw/Proposal:Welcome_Working_Group/Initial_meeting_agenda/irclog On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: I thought I should bump this up to its own thread: The Welcome WG needs a boost after Richard's (cc) initial great work on the proposal and initial meeting. Let's have a follow-up meeting to see who's interested in committing time to this WG, what we can do right now and what the longer term agenda and priorities should be. How about next week? Anyone who has ideas about and - more importantly - is willing to spend time towards solving the Welcome problem, please join. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d We can do it on IRC, Google Hangout (my preference), phone or whatever works for all involved. -- Forwarded message -- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:16 PM Subject: Fwd: [Talk-us] Role of the Wiki To: OSM US board us-osm-bo...@googlegroups.com FYI, I put out an invitation for a Welcome Working Group meeting: -- Forwarded message -- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Role of the Wiki To: Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com Cc: Scott Rollins organ...@gmail.com, OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List t...@openstreetmap.org, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org, OpenStreetMap US Talk talk-us@openstreetmap.org, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Kathleen, Yes, the Welcome WG does need a boost after Richard's (cc) initial great work on the proposal and initial meeting. I wanted to wait until the semester is over so that my teaching obligations would not keep interfering, but I guess we're almost there, so I am willing to organize a next meeting to see who's interested in committing time to this WG, what we can do right now and what the longer term agenda and priorities should be. So how about next week? Anyone who has ideas about and - more importantly - is willing to spend time towards solving the Welcome problem, please join. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d We can do it on IRC, Google Hangout (my preference), phone or whatever works for all involved. Martijn On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Some of these resources may require a little effort on your part, and they may not all be as well advertised or interconnected as they should be, but you have to realize that OpenStreetMap is eternally a work in progress, run entirely by volunteers who are working really hard to keep up with and channel that progress. I think that the first half of that sentence is worth taking notice of, with all due respect to the second half (and the volunteers who make it so!). As a newcomer to OSM, I am aware that there are some really fantastic resources out there, but I'm not really sure where to start, and that in and of itself ends up being quite discouraging. Some more direction and encouragement for new users could both help new mappers who share these frustrations, as well as identify highest priority action items for documentation improvement. I gather there's a proposal for a new Welcome Working Group, and I think that this potential group has a lot to offer in this exact area. I 100% understand how experienced users and contributors can feel taxed by discussions like this, but I think there is a subset of members who are eager to help onboard new mappers. Maybe this is a good time to re-kickstart that proposal? Personally, I'm really excited to get involved in this aspect of the OSM community. (apologies if I'm missing any important context/discussions happening elsewhere) Best, Kathleen On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Some of these resources may require a little effort on your
