Re: [Talk-us] Mass deletion in shawnee county, ks
From: Mike Dupont [mailto:jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 8:45 PM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org; Toby Murray; the Old Topo Depot; Paul Norman Subject: Mass deletion in shawnee county, ks Hi all, I would like some help here. I have spent the past 6 months working on the shawnee county and now douglass county.. Now paul norman has decided to delete massive amounts of data and refuses to even discuss or work with me on this. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16288086 Is anyone interested in helping out on this? I feel horrible about this situation and would like to resolve it. Yes I did not follow all procedures on this, but have not caused any problems, I have now a bot to clean up any badly named streets. Also I have dont months of manual cleanup. this effort is being undermined. I'll quote my previous message to Mike From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com] Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:50 PM To: 'Mike Dupont' Imports have certain requirements. Last time you ignored them with Shawnee county data you were told you need you needed to use a dedicated account and consult with the community. A number of issues were raised including some clear bugs (e.g. addr:street like First AVENUE). You said I will just finish cleaning it up manually then, and wont import any more You then proceeded to continue the import after a few month break, exactly as before, without even fixing the clear bugs. Everything reverted should have been from April, not from earlier stuff you were fixing up. In short, you were told previously to not import without meeting the requirements, you said you wouldn't import any more, then you did so anyways. I ask only that we find a good solution to the issue without just random deletion. If there's a case where non-imported data was affected, that's something that can be fixed. Do you have specific object IDs? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Mass deletion in shawnee county, ks
Hi all, I would like some help here. I have spent the past 6 months working on the shawnee county and now douglass county.. Now paul norman has decided to delete massive amounts of data and refuses to even discuss or work with me on this. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16288086 Is anyone interested in helping out on this? I feel horrible about this situation and would like to resolve it. Yes I did not follow all procedures on this, but have not caused any problems, I have now a bot to clean up any badly named streets. Also I have dont months of manual cleanup. this effort is being undermined. I ask only that we find a good solution to the issue without just random deletion. thanks mike -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 Free Software Foundation Europe Fellow http://fsfe.org/support/?h4ck3rm1k3 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mass deletion in shawnee county, ks
Mike, There are multiple components to this situation, but I want to start with the most timely and important, not so much for you, as for others in the US community who might be unaware of the situation in its complexities. Paul Norman is not a rogue mapper, he is a member of the DWG, OSM's arbiter of what is and isn't allowed in the OSM database, so if he has taken an action, it is presumably either with the DWG, or with the implicit seniority that Paul's work or association carries with it. Secondly, to re-emphasize what Paul said- you have not followed the DWG's guidelines regarding imports, and according to your own mail, you are continuing not to follow those guidelines through use of automated editing (a bot). Thirdly, from my perspective you never contacted or contributed to the US Import Committee, either meeting or mailing list- if you had, then you'd know that our processes are even more stringent than those of the DWG. Yet Toby (who you CCed) has been able to follow them (and has helped clarify and expand them). So it's doable, and it's doable by people you want to be part of this conversation. Fourthly, you have been a part of this project for several years and know the issues about imports, and certainly know the importance of community discussion and approval in relation to imports. In fact, you have felt so strongly about the OSM community, that several years back, you decided to be part of an OSM fork, which you continue to advertise in your mail sig. If you want to be part of this community, meaning the OpenStreetMap community in the United States, I and others would welcome you, but you should be participatory and follow the guidelines that this community (the DWG and then the US Community) has regarding imports. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mass deletion in shawnee county, ks
2013/5/28 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com If you want to be part of this community, meaning the OpenStreetMap community in the United States, I and others would welcome you, but you should be participatory and follow the guidelines that this community (the DWG and then the US Community) has regarding imports. +1 Mike, I am astonished that you still perform imports without respecting the import guidelines, several years ago there was a similar situation when you had imported this approximative Corine data in central Italy (as a collateral effect to your imports in Kosovo) over already existing manually mapped objects, which then last year caused some problems in the license change. Please adhere to the guidelines for imports, automated edits etc. or even better, go outside and then map like most OSM mappers do ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Google Maps being praised for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly
Yeah, and you guys beat me to it! -Compdude From: Clifford Snow [mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us] Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 4:37 PM Cc: t...@openstreetmap.org; talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Google Maps being praised for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly Let's forget about Google Maps for a moment that give thanks to the contributors who updated I-5 on OpenStreetMap. Alan, rickmastfan67, Sundance and katpatuka have all contributed to the update. It is dedicated mappers like these that make OSM great. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Google Maps being praised for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly
Well, when I did my original edit in that area because of the collapse, somebody had already deleted the small section that collapsed. So, I just added the missing access=no tags on the other ways. Plus, it didn't hurt that I was on my PC already and watching the local 11PM (EDT) news and they mentioned that there was a bridge collapse on an Interstate. -James (rickmastfan67) From: cliff...@snowandsnow.us Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 16:36:44 -0700 CC: t...@openstreetmap.org; talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Google Maps being praised for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly Let's forget about Google Maps for a moment that give thanks to the contributors who updated I-5 on OpenStreetMap. Alan, rickmastfan67, Sundance and katpatuka have all contributed to the update. It is dedicated mappers like these that make OSM great. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
