Re: [Talk-us] Baltimore County Maryland Building and Address Import
Back in my Johns Hopkins days (early '90s), I leased an apartment near Homewood at Calvert 31st. Looks terrific: nice work, Elliott! SteveA California Quick update: The import is finished! I've been doing some QC and it really is great to look at, and so useful. OSM in Baltimore County has better addresses than any of the other online maps. Hooray for open source! http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/39.4379/-76.6223http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/39.4379/-76.6223 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)
Il giorno 06/set/2014, alle ore 07:24, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: BUT ANY OF THESE can be primary, secondary, tertiary or residential. No, the ones that are too narrow (motorcycle) can only be path in osm Cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)
Greg Morgan wrote: It feels like the discussion is about fixing a routing problem when in reality you would exclude people that want to make it to Cleator Arizona or other recreational destinations. The people at the Cleator Bar and Yacht Club[4] would question your judgement that this a fictional place or that is not a meaningful destination. No, you misunderstand. No-one is going to entirely delete roads/tracks that exist in reality. The prevalent issues with backwoods TIGER are: a) highway=residential on roads/tracks that go nowhere near a residence b) highway=residential where no road/track exists of any sort c) no indication of surface type (bearing in mind that the rest of the developed world predominantly uses highway=residential for a paved road) How you solve these issues is your decision as the US community. If you want to keep highway=residential for the tracks that exist and add a surface= or tracktype= tag, you do that. Personally I would suggest that you use either highway=track or highway=unclassified and add a surface tag, but it ain't my country. The good thing about this discussion is that ideas are emerging about how to solve the problem, both in tagging and in resources. Distinguishing between gravel roads, forest tracks, suburban streets and non-existent things - all of which might currently be mapped as highway=residential - isn't excluding people who want to make it to Cleator, Arizona. Quite the opposite: a more accurate, clearer map, whether for rendering or routing, for truck drivers or car drivers or cyclists, makes it easier for people to get to Cleator, Arizona, and a thousand other places. Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Re-Dirt-Roads-formerly-Abandoned-railway-tp5815986p5816758.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)
On Sep 6, 2014, at 1:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Il giorno 06/set/2014, alle ore 07:24, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: BUT ANY OF THESE can be primary, secondary, tertiary or residential. No, the ones that are too narrow (motorcycle) can only be path in osm I think yes is better in response to Bryce's comment. BEGIN RANT My view is that highway tagging conflates use and importance to the community with physical properties. And it makes assumptions on how the two correspond based on conditions in one part of the world. It is way too late now, but I think tagging of traveled ways would have been better off it a simple highway=yes tag had been agreed to with everything else in other tags like width=*, surface=*, maxspeed=*, access=*, etc. No doubt there would still be endless discussions on the exact meanings of those descriptive tags (legal maximum speed versus what is actually possible, what type of smoothness descriptions are accurate, useful and possible for citizen mappers to determine, etc.). Even highway is a bit odd to my American ears as it implies to me a main or major road, for example highway=residential just sounds off. I would have assumed that was a difference between British and American dialects but my old pre-Internet era Oxford English Dictionary says highway means a public road open to all passengers, a high road; esp. a main or principal road forming the direct or ordinary route between one town or city and another, as distinguished from a local, branch or cross road, leading to smaller places off the main road, or connecting two main roads. But that ship has sailed and we have endless conversations about what distinguishes a path from a track from a unclassified or other type of highway. END RANT smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)
Am 06.09.2014 15:19, schrieb Tod Fitch: It is way too late now, but I think tagging of traveled ways would have been better off it a simple highway=yes tag had been agreed to with everything else in other tags like width=*, surface=*, maxspeed=*, access=*, etc. IMHO you should simply think of highway=xxx as a shorthand for highway=yes classification-for-routing-purposes=xxx Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno 06/set/2014, alle ore 07:24, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: BUT ANY OF THESE can be primary, secondary, tertiary or residential. No, the ones that are too narrow (motorcycle) can only be path in osm Cheers, Martin I'll take that bait. Forget OSM for a moment. Imagine a spiderweb of hiking trails on a conventional map. Chances are, some of the trunk trails will be more primary, and drawn using a heavier line. It's useful to map viewers, and thus is done. The *concept* of hierarchy still exists for hiking trails, motorcycle routes, paths, stairs, walkways. Now we need to figure out how to consistently tag that concept in OSM, so rendering engines can start using it. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
