[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2014-09-23

2014-09-25 Thread Dave Hansen
These are based off of Lambertus's work here:

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.

Downloads:

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2014-09-23

Map to visualize what each file contains:


http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2014-09-23/kml/kml.html


FAQ



Why did you do this?

I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
on removable media.  

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2014-09-23

Can or should I seed the torrents?

Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
side of the Atlantic.

Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?

There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
want to update if you had issues with the last set.

Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?

If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a 2GB
file.

Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?

Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
non-US area to get included, let me know. 

-- Dave


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Re: [Talk-us] multiple-value problem in ref tags

2014-09-25 Thread James Mast
I would have to agree with Paul on this subject Jack.   It's been common 
practice to do it this way since I've been a part of the OSM editing community 
in 2010.  Since the 'ref' tags aren't normal sentences, the ';' isn't 
considered to be punctuation like Paul mentioned in his e-mail.  I honestly 
don't know why your copy of OSMAnd and the TTS engine it uses say ';' when 
giving you the refs off of highway. [1]

But your comment about 'tagging for the renderer' when breaking the MapQuest 
Open rendering could be turned back and say that we shouldn't be 'tagging for 
the router' at the same time.  MapQuest developed their rendering scheme on how 
we were using the ref tags already.  Thus, this isn't technically 'tagging for 
the renderer' because we were already not using a space after the ';' in the 
ref tags.

-James

[1] - https://groups.google.com/d/topic/osmand/k2Rf59wUiSE/discussion


 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:31:43 -0700
 From: penor...@mac.com
 To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] multiple-value problem in ref tags
 
 On 9/15/2014 7:03 PM, Jack Burke wrote:
  As the wiki doesn't specifically say *don't* put a space after the 
  semicolon, I didn't see a problem with doing it. [1]
 The standard is to use ; without a space as a delimiter. This is what 
 both iD and JOSM use. https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/941 has 
 a bit more info from 2013.
 
 The semicolon should never make it to the TTS engine, the processing 
 before it gets that far should transform it into something that can be 
 spoken.
 
 Remember, the ; isn't being used as punctuation, it's being used as a 
 delimiter.
 
 The quote you pasted said with a semicolon and without a space 
 character, which agrees with this.
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Directional relation roles where signs disagree

2014-09-25 Thread Paul Johnson
With these split relations, ways should have forward/backwards, relations
should have cardinal directions in a super relation.  Gets to be a real
pain in the ass when ways are using cardinal direction roles.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us
wrote:

 At least ten miles of I-275 near Cincinnati are consistently signed as
 north/southbound on guide signs [1] and reassurance markers [2] but
 consistently signed as east/westbound on tenth-mile markers [3] and ramp
 name signs, as well as in ODOT's straight line diagram [4].

 What roles should these ways have in the I-275 route relation? They're
 currently north and south with a note describing the contradiction. [5]
 Would it be better to change the roles to north;east and south;west?
 Should we revert to forward in weird cases like these? (It's bad enough
 that this is Circle Freeway, in which each direction already refers to
 disconnected segments in 2-3 different states.)

 [1] http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ufaXmzVwXv5vWJM_PsDJtw
 http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/pcZJlkRsAPG7MRApWOwT_Q
 http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/BWbzCJflIUvwV8u8bskaaw

 [2] http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/nfX2M7XTTeHxSR7PvTVW3g

 [3] http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/HpzPH_tPp-x_A8WXBBCplA
 http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/LkDSrQekv5nnAu1-hhGZ-w

 [4] http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Planning/TechServ/
 TIM/Documents/SLD/pdf_files/HAMir0275r.pdf

 [4] For example, http://osm.org/way/31563007

 --
 m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us


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[Talk-us] User going around adding '-' to ref tags in Michigan

2014-09-25 Thread James Mast



Just thought I'd give you guys a heads up, but there is a user going around and 
adding '-' to all the ref tags he modifies in Michigan.

A good example would be a good chunk of I-75 [1], I-96, M-3, M-10 in Metro 
Detroit.  But he's done it elsewhere in Michigan.

I sent him a PM earlier mentioning this as a 'FYI' that we don't add the '-' to 
the ref tags.  Hopefully he'll respond.  Otherwise, this might be a massive 
cleanup.  Anybody else want to try and get a hold of this user as well?  I have 
also noticed that in some places where he has 'tweaked' the ref tags, others 
have done some 'reverting' work already putting them back to the normal 
standard. [2]

-James

[1] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/8767860/history
[2] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/17729896/history


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