Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-15 Thread John Eldredge 
Non-motorized vehicles refers to vehicles that neither have a motor of 
their own or are towed or propelled by a motorized vehicle. Examples would 
be horse-drawn carriages, nonmotorized rickshaws, carts pulled by 
pedestrians, etc.


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On December 1, 2015 8:38:29 AM Elliott Plack  wrote:


Ben,

I believe you're right, nice catch! "Motor bicycles and scooters: Mopeds
should be included with motor-driven cycles (motor bicycles) in the States"
(
http://mrf.org/library2/index.php/legislation-language/definitions/definition-motorcycle/fhwa-reclassification-of-motorcycles/
)

Additionally the one about "Non-Motorized" vehicles is somewhat confusing
and I don't think that I've ever seen it used. A bicycle is non-motorized,
but so is the trailer on a truck. What does it mean?

Elliott

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:23 AM Ben Miller  wrote:


I'm not familiar with the MUTCD, and a little Googling didn't get me any
clarification, but I'm guessing that "motor-driven cycles" refers to mopeds
and such, not to motorcycles.


On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM Simon Poole  wrote:


To give us all a break from the usual political machinations at this
time of year I've drawn up the following table


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_MUTCD_exclusionary_signs_to_OSM_access

The context is the work I've been doing on
https://github.com/simonpoole/beautified-JOSM-preset which is the
default preset for Vespucci http://vespucci.io/ (obviously on mobile
devices being able to touch an icon is preferable to typing).

Any opinions on the mappings, and what would you consider signs that you
frequently map?

Feedback and patches welcome!

Simon


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Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

2015-12-15 Thread John Eldredge 
Interstate highways (motorways, in UK terms) in the eastern USA often ban 
motor-driven cycles, bicycles, and other low-speed traffic. Mopeds are 
required to have a governor that limits them to a top speed of 25 miles per 
hour. In return, they don't require a driver's license to operate.


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On December 2, 2015 3:33:15 AM Simon Poole  wrote:


Well ... the definitions are very fuzzy  (this is just so that you are
aware that there is potential for conflict): mopeds* are in general just
low displacement motorcycles, historically with pedals , but that is
typically no longer a legal requirement. For example there are scooters
that fall in this class. Mofas on the other hand, where the class
exists, typically have a requirement for pedals (adding pedelecs in to
the mix just makes things more complicated so leaving that away for now).

Obviously a moped without pedals is fairly dead when the motor isn't
running :-)

Simon

* just to confuse things in Germany it is colloquially quite common to
refer to any motorcycle as "moped" (even my 1300cc beemer)

Am 02.12.2015 um 10:13 schrieb Paul Johnson:

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Simon Poole mailto:si...@poole.ch>> wrote:


I've changed the relevant tags to moped=no. Any opinion on if
mopeds would be included in "motor vehicles"? I don't think I've
ever seen a mofa in the states (I find people on Vespas in the
states already fairly brave) but what about pedelecs and similar?


A moped would qualify as both a motor vehicle and a bicycle, which it
is (and whether or not it can use bicycle lanes and cycleways) is
determined by whether or not the motor is running.


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Re: [Talk-us] SunCertPathBuilderException

2015-12-15 Thread Blake Girardot 

Hi all,

The change that Dirk thinks caused this issue has been reverted so this 
problem and error should be fixed for now.


Cheers,
Blake


On 12/15/2015 12:38 AM, Clifford Snow wrote:

I had the problem and created a bug report.
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/12192

JOSM is running the latest 9117 version. Version 9102 on another machine
did not have a problem.

Clifford

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Steve Friedl mailto:st...@unixwiz.net>> wrote:

Me too! Me too!

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I’ve been using 9092 from home for several days, and it started fine
this morning, but now it’s objecting. 

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I’m on a stable home network with a quality commercial firewall and
no proxies.  Win 7

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Steve

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*From:*Mike Thompson [mailto:miketh...@gmail.com
]
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 3:24 PM
*To:* Greg Morgan mailto:dr.kludge...@gmail.com>>
*Cc:* Alan Bragg mailto:alan.d.br...@gmail.com>>; talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 Openstreetmap
mailto:talk-us@openstreetmap.org>>
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] SunCertPathBuilderException

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I too am now getting the problem (but am on a corporate network at
the moment, will try from home later):

Version 8969 

Last change at 2015-10-29 22:15:23 +0100 (Thu, 29 Oct 2015) 

Java Version 1.8.0_65 

Windows 7

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On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Greg Morgan mailto:dr.kludge...@gmail.com>> wrote:

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Checking the certificate[1] via a web browser says that the
certificate for
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/StartupPage is valid 

I get the same results from a web browser as you, it is valid.

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If the issue is a proxy problem as Mike pointed out, then I
recall that you have to add -Dhttp.proxyHost=yourProxyURL to
your JOSM arguments before you can change the proxy settings in
your preferences.

That is correct, but if web traffic is being filtered I don't think
there is anything that can be done within JOSM to fix the problem.
The problem for me in the past has been that the filter returned a
response like "are you sure you want to go to xyz.com
", which normally in a browser would be displayed
and you would have an opportunity to say "yes", but JOSM didn't know
what to do with that response, hence the error.  That isn't the
problem for me today as I can go to josm.openstreetmap.de
 (and directly to its IP address)
without a warning from a browser.

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Mike


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