Re: [Talk-us] Help needed, Babcock Ranch near Fort Myers, FL

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

   thanks for the responses.

On 05/15/2017 03:11 PM, Brian May wrote:
> The new Digital Globe Standard imagery shows some of the new
> development. 

I re-checked and none of the roads I deleted appear on either DG
imagery, not even something that looks like construction.

The developer who emailed us said: "The data was from an old plan and
does not reflect the current plan, and is certainly not a built roadway
network."

I have indeed overlooked the fact that the original mapper had a source
tag "Charlotte County GIS" so I could have at least confronted the
complainant with that. -- They haven't yet got back to me on my question
of more current plans.

> Also the mapper in question is a very active and detail oriented mapper
> focusing on the Fort Myers area.

I emailed Eraque22 on 08 May and haven't heard back, but they haven't
mapped in 2 weeks so maybe they're on holiday.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 114, Issue 9

[Valerie Anderson]

I live in Florida and this sort of thing is pretty common. We have rampant
development on a boom-and-bust cycle but probably if this was planned it
will be built eventually unless it is intentionally protected. I just
checked and it looks like part of the ranch was protected with Florida
Forever money in a straight-up purchase and the part that has the roads by
Eraque22 is going to be developed into a giant subdivision called Babcock
Ranch Community. Here the Fish and Wildlife website about it:
http://myfwc.com/viewing/recreation/wmas/cooperative/babcock-ranch-preserve

I've added the preserve boundaries in osm so you guys can see them.

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> Hi,
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>DWG recently had a complaint from a property developer about a series
> of fictional roads South of Lake Babcock. I have removed them after
> checking with aerial imagery and after giving the original mapper a
> chance for comment. However, the whole "Babcock Ranch" area is
> cris-crossed with streets in OSM that are not even remotely visible on
> any of the available aerial images (and other roads that are on these
> images, are not in OSM).
>
> This is the area:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/26.7888/-81.7157
>
> Maybe someone in the area fancies a fact-finding mission ;)
>
> I'll also ask the property developer if they have better information but
> of course nothing beats a field survey.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
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> To: Frederik Ramm , OpenStreetMap US Talk
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> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:59 AM Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > Maybe someone in the area fancies a fact-finding mission ;)
> >
> >
> Some of it actually shows up in the Charlotte county GIS system[1] (the
> stuff south of Lake Timber), and construction on the round-a-bout is
> visible on other *cough*Google[2]*cough* satellite imagery (just below Lake
> Babcock).  Construction on the now deleted roads to the left of Lake
> Babcock is also visible (as of Feb imagery).
>
> Most likely it's not vandalism or somebody using OSM for urban fantasy but
> some very early county GIS or planning data that was uploaded.  It likely
> should have been tagged at least as "proposed," though.  Some of it is at
> least a solid "construction" now.
>
> The imagery availble in JOSM via Bing looks pixel-for-pixel identical to
> imagery available elsewhere from 2010.
>
> [1] http://agis.charlottecountyfl.gov/ccgis/
> [2] https://www.google.com/maps/@26.7872318,-81.7380132,2180m/
> data=!3m1!1e3
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> Bye
> > Frederik
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Re: [Talk-us] Help needed, Babcock Ranch near Fort Myers, FL

[Brian May]

On 5/15/2017 7:37 AM, Eric Ladner wrote:
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:59 AM Frederik Ramm > wrote:


Hi,


Maybe someone in the area fancies a fact-finding mission ;)


Some of it actually shows up in the Charlotte county GIS system[1] 
(the stuff south of Lake Timber), and constructiononthe round-a-bout 
is visible on other *cough*Google[2]*cough* satellite imagery (just 
below Lake Babcock).  Construction on the now deleted roads to the 
left of Lake Babcock is also visible (as of Feb imagery).


Most likely it's not vandalism or somebody using OSM for urban fantasy 
but some very early county GIS or planning data that was uploaded.  It 
likely should have been tagged at least as "proposed," though.  Some 
of it is at least a solid "construction" now.


The imagery availble in JOSM via Bing looks pixel-for-pixel identical 
to imagery available elsewhere from 2010.


[1] http://agis.charlottecountyfl.gov/ccgis/
[2] 
https://www.google.com/maps/@26.7872318,-81.7380132,2180m/data=!3m1!1e3 



Bye
Frederik


Eric

This area is being actively developed and is basically a new town, so 
there is and will be a lot of new construction that is seeming popping 
out of nowhere. The mapper probably put in a mix of built, under 
construction and proposed roads. When built out, it will cover 18,000 
acres with an estimated population of 50,000 by 2050 [1].


The new Digital Globe Standard imagery shows some of the new 
development. I haven't take a look yet, but the latest Sentinel 2 
satellite imagery may provide a clear enough look as well for major road 
construction and land clearing. Its being made available pretty quickly 
these days - last clear image of that area is 5/9/2017. [2]


Also the mapper in question is a very active and detail oriented mapper 
focusing on the Fort Myers area.


[1] 
http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20170102/babcock-ranch-with-model-homes-soon-to-open-will-have-big-impact-on-charlotte-county

[2] https://remotepixel.ca/projects/satellitesearch.html

Brian
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Re: [Talk-us] Help needed, Babcock Ranch near Fort Myers, FL

[Eric Ladner]

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:59 AM Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> Maybe someone in the area fancies a fact-finding mission ;)
>
>
Some of it actually shows up in the Charlotte county GIS system[1] (the
stuff south of Lake Timber), and construction on the round-a-bout is
visible on other *cough*Google[2]*cough* satellite imagery (just below Lake
Babcock).  Construction on the now deleted roads to the left of Lake
Babcock is also visible (as of Feb imagery).

Most likely it's not vandalism or somebody using OSM for urban fantasy but
some very early county GIS or planning data that was uploaded.  It likely
should have been tagged at least as "proposed," though.  Some of it is at
least a solid "construction" now.

The imagery availble in JOSM via Bing looks pixel-for-pixel identical to
imagery available elsewhere from 2010.

[1] http://agis.charlottecountyfl.gov/ccgis/
[2] https://www.google.com/maps/@26.7872318,-81.7380132,2180m/data=!3m1!1e3

Bye
> Frederik
>

Eric
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[Talk-us] Help needed, Babcock Ranch near Fort Myers, FL

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

   DWG recently had a complaint from a property developer about a series
of fictional roads South of Lake Babcock. I have removed them after
checking with aerial imagery and after giving the original mapper a
chance for comment. However, the whole "Babcock Ranch" area is
cris-crossed with streets in OSM that are not even remotely visible on
any of the available aerial images (and other roads that are on these
images, are not in OSM).

This is the area:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/26.7888/-81.7157

Maybe someone in the area fancies a fact-finding mission ;)

I'll also ask the property developer if they have better information but
of course nothing beats a field survey.

Bye
Frederik

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