Re: [Talk-us] note to armchair mappers about NYS routes & ref tags
On 11/29/17 10:36 PM, Evin Fairchild wrote: > These unsigned reference route numbers probably should use the > unsigned_ref=* tag. Seems like the best compromise. that's what i intend to do if i need to go in and clean this up. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS & IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] note to armchair mappers about NYS routes & ref tags
These unsigned reference route numbers probably should use the unsigned_ref=* tag. Seems like the best compromise. -Evin (compdude) On Nov 29, 2017 6:24 PM, "Richard Welty" wrote: > i have spotted what appears to be an armchair mapper making an > inappropriate > set of edits to some NYS routes this past summer; i have sent the mapper > a note > through the OSM message system but thought this could use a broader > audience, > so that certain inappropriate ref tag settings _don't_ get made. > > NY state has a not-quite-secret route numbering system called reference > routes. > these routes have numbers in the 900 range, and have a single character > suffix. > Examples are 910F, 914V and so forth and so on. > > these route numbers never, with 4 well documented exceptions, _never_ > appear on > conventional highway signage (the exceptions are 961F, 962J, 990L and > 990V). > > an example of incorrectly setting a ref tag to 910F is here: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/68519517 > > there are no black-and-white NYS route signs carrying the number 910F, so > convention dictates that if these designations are to be tagged at all, it > should be in unsigned_ref or other similar tag. > > i haven't heard back from the mapper who added these yet, but am giving it > a little more time before i go and fix this up myself. > > so anyway, it's fun to learn about things like this numbering system, but > please don't screw up the map by putting these numbers in the ref tags. > they don't belong there. > > for anyone who cares, the entire list of these numbers appears here: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reference_routes_in_New_York > > richard > > -- > rwe...@averillpark.net > Averill Park Networking - GIS & IT Consulting > OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux > Java - Web Applications - Search > > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] note to armchair mappers about NYS routes & ref tags
i have spotted what appears to be an armchair mapper making an inappropriate set of edits to some NYS routes this past summer; i have sent the mapper a note through the OSM message system but thought this could use a broader audience, so that certain inappropriate ref tag settings _don't_ get made. NY state has a not-quite-secret route numbering system called reference routes. these routes have numbers in the 900 range, and have a single character suffix. Examples are 910F, 914V and so forth and so on. these route numbers never, with 4 well documented exceptions, _never_ appear on conventional highway signage (the exceptions are 961F, 962J, 990L and 990V). an example of incorrectly setting a ref tag to 910F is here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/68519517 there are no black-and-white NYS route signs carrying the number 910F, so convention dictates that if these designations are to be tagged at all, it should be in unsigned_ref or other similar tag. i haven't heard back from the mapper who added these yet, but am giving it a little more time before i go and fix this up myself. so anyway, it's fun to learn about things like this numbering system, but please don't screw up the map by putting these numbers in the ref tags. they don't belong there. for anyone who cares, the entire list of these numbers appears here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reference_routes_in_New_York richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS & IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Highway exit renumbering
"unless it’s somehow still used on signage" I would expect that to be the case. With the US DOT/FHA quasi-mandatory (compliance conditional greenmail) renumberings to the revised national standard (exits keyed to mile marker, border-to-border S-N or W-E, following US Interstate route number -- some routes had exit #s based on State routes before achieving interstate numbers and so are doubly non-compliant, e.g. Mass. Rt 128 which spans I-95 & I-93 (in opposite alignments!)), there is usually a temporary add-on e.g. "Formerly Exit 8" attached to the most important signs mentioning "Exit 48" for a transitional period of year or two so that people with old maps / directions / GPS aren't totally confused. The physical "formerly" bits look like they're designed to be easy to remove later. As long as the signage says formerly, we should tag Formerly (and the routers should consider whether to include it in prompts). For anyone doing research with Mid/Late-20thC sources, having a record of the historical signage at an exit will be useful -- where was Exit 8 in the 1970's? Not where it is now by a long shot on many interstates! A GIS-friendly form of this history will be ever-more important as it recedes into deep history. Wikipedia attempts to capture the history, but not in a GIS-friendly / geo-queriable form. Whether the main OSM DB is the right long-term repository or whether a side-schema for historical overlays is the more appropriate GIS-friendly perpetual record of exit history is a separate question. (History for an exit or ramp would include opened date, re-numbered date, closed date, reconfigured date?) (As I am old as dirt, i will continue to refer to Westbrook/Portland Exit 48 as Exit 8, much as we still turn off Blackstrap Rd at the house that *used to be* white. To confuse matters, for a while it was indeed "white on this side" (only). (Thank-you, Anne, you may take off your cloak now.) B-D) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
