Re: [Talk-us] tiger name issue in New York

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

I encourage you to edit wiki, Max, it is an important part of OSM-ing, if you 
are one who does, fantastic.  Honest updates or better data, it's easy to write 
and comes naturally to many.  Please, go for It!

Steve

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Re: [Talk-us] Old Bing/ESRI satellite imagery?

[Albert Pundt]

I concur, thanks for sharing that, Richard! Also reminded me I need to
update my imagery source list in JOSM...

As for me saying my original post was dumb, I didn't mean the very idea of
pointing out the inferior elements of the various imagery sources, I meant
more it appearing to come off as forgetting that, like Ian said, access to
these sources is a privilege and not a right, and I thought it was sounding
like the kind of attitude of entitlement that I'd make fun of in other
contexts...

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 5:24 PM, EthnicFood IsGreat <
ethnicfoodisgr...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 03:30:14 -0600 (CST)
>> From: Richard Fairhurst 
>> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Old Bing/ESRI satellite imagery?
>>
>>
>> The previous ESRI imagery has just been restored to the imagery list (by
>> ESRI, so 100% legit) under the name “Clarity”.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
> Great!  I'm glad to hear that.  I use that imagery more than any other.
> Thanks for sharing that news.
>
> Mark
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Re: [Talk-us] Old Bing/ESRI satellite imagery?

[EthnicFood IsGreat]

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 03:30:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Richard Fairhurst 
To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Old Bing/ESRI satellite imagery?


The previous ESRI imagery has just been restored to the imagery list (by
ESRI, so 100% legit) under the name “Clarity”.

Richard




Great!  I'm glad to hear that.  I use that imagery more than any other.  
Thanks for sharing that news.


Mark

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Re: [Talk-us] tiger name issue in New York

[Kevin Kenny]

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Max Erickson  wrote:

> I took note of it just seeing the name in parking lots in towns and on
> obvious driveways. It seems armchair cleanup would be able to address
> those.
>
> Maybe I will get over my reticence to edit the wiki and make a page
> for listing these sorts of "structural" issues with Tiger data. Could
> also list things like counties with *extremely* poor geometry or high
> numbers of service roads imported as residential.
>

OK, yeah, obvious driveways are a different thing. When I saw the
original message, I had in mind more things like:

Cheney Pond Road:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/20078367
(need to verify that this is passable - I have reason to believe that it
is, at least for a 4WD)

Cheney Pond-Irishtown snowmobile trail:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/20078250
This one inexplicably stops at the ford at the ruined dam on Lester
Flow. It's in fact continuous with Cheney Pond Road in Irishtown:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/20088051
which is mislabeled; only the short section up to Shevlin
Road is called Byrnes Road. I have it on good authority that
this road is gated at both ends, but there are still a handful of
landowners who have inholdings at the edge of the Hoffman
Notch Wilderness, have the keys to the gate, and access
their holdings by 4WD or ATV.

Mud Mountain Horse Trail:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/2008

(Mostly part of) the abandoned Grass[e] River Railroad [1915-1957]
(usable as a MTB trail but you have to be careful of the ties):
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/8750962

About half part of the Grass[e] River right-of-way and about half
I-don't-know-what. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/8752087

These facts are from second-hand local knowledge and non-free
published sources, so I don't feel comfortable putting anything into
OSM until and unless I survey that area. (Which I may do in 3-4
years, as part of a different project entirely.)

I suppose that if someone wanted to remove the names 'Adirondack
Park' and 'Adirondack Park Preserve' from all the roads in that area,
leaving them nameless, I wouldn't make much of a fuss. The
name doesn't add useful information. I simply haven't bothered
on ways that I haven't surveyed, because of all the other issues.
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Re: [Talk-us] tiger name issue in New York

[Max Erickson]

I took note of it just seeing the name in parking lots in towns and on
obvious driveways. It seems armchair cleanup would be able to address
those.

Maybe I will get over my reticence to edit the wiki and make a page
for listing these sorts of "structural" issues with Tiger data. Could
also list things like counties with *extremely* poor geometry or high
numbers of service roads imported as residential.


Max

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Re: [Talk-us] tiger name issue in New York

[Kevin Kenny]

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:14 AM, Max Erickson  wrote:

> About 1600 highways named "Adirondack Park" and another 300 named
> "Adirondack Park Preserve". Mostly service drives that are in
> Adirondack Park, but it seems unlikely that they are all actually
> named that way.
>
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/vDk


The locals are aware of this. It's worse than you think.

I've fixed some, but  it's slow going. A good many of those roads are
tracks or less, and few are signed. (They do have names, but you
have to find them in published sources or ask a local.)

Most of the ones that are entirely
within the park have been closed to motor vehicles since the 1970s.
They're mapped so inaccurately in many cases that the whole data
set has a hallucinatory quality to it.

There's a New York State data set that's a better source on the names,
but I've not been able to secure permission to use it. Its data
quality is also pretty poor. The agency that maintains it is
chronically underfunded.

For all these reasons, I tend to think that repairs aren't adding much
value unless they're backed up by literal boots on the ground.
I haven't nearly as much time to travel as I'd like.
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Re: [Talk-us] tiger name issue in New York

[Dave Swarthout]

I have noticed that as well. Aggravating, isn't it? I've not seen a sign
with "Adirondack Park" on any road I've driven there. I'm sure Kevin Kenny
will have some knowledge to contribute.

Cheers

Dave

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:14 PM, Max Erickson  wrote:

> About 1600 highways named "Adirondack Park" and another 300 named
> "Adirondack Park Preserve". Mostly service drives that are in
> Adirondack Park, but it seems unlikely that they are all actually
> named that way.
>
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/vDk
>
>
> Max
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[Talk-us] tiger name issue in New York

[Max Erickson]

About 1600 highways named "Adirondack Park" and another 300 named
"Adirondack Park Preserve". Mostly service drives that are in
Adirondack Park, but it seems unlikely that they are all actually
named that way.

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/vDk


Max

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Re: [Talk-us] Old Bing/ESRI satellite imagery?

[Richard Fairhurst]

The previous ESRI imagery has just been restored to the imagery list (by
ESRI, so 100% legit) under the name “Clarity”. 

Richard 



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