[Talk-us] Lincoln, NE South/East Beltway

[Albert Pundt]

I noticed someone had mapped the Lincoln South and East Beltway segments as
under construction. However, I could find no word of either segment going
to construction yet. The South appears to be planned for construction
sooner, but will smoothly tie into Route 2 until the East section is built.
Should I (or someone more local) just switch all the tags over to proposed?

—Albert
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Re: [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair

[EthnicFood IsGreat]

As a member of the US community, I'm in favor of reverting the bad 
edits, even if it removes some good contributions.

Mark

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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 13:27:14 + (UTC)
From: Mikel Maron 
To: Michael Reichert ,  Talk-us

Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair
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This is an epic effort and appreciated.
But there are two things that need to be cleared up.

  The choice was to either accept that OSM

is overrun by a army of sockpuppets who ignore us at all or to make the
time/money they invest into editing a waste of time/money by reverting their 
edits even if it removes good contributions. That's sad but what is the 
alternative?

It's not a binary choice. The alternative is to establish good dialogue with 
the communities you are monitoring (the US on this case), and make sure there 
is awareness and buy in to your proposed action. I don't think that would be 
difficult or time consuming but does take consideration of other mappers in OSM 
who you don't regularly communicate with.

  There is no formal policy yet but that doesn't mean that they can do what 
they want to do. If it is against the interests of the community, it's against 
the existing unwritten rules.

There is no such thing that gives anyone the right for large scale vigilante 
actions. There is enough justification to potentially take action (after 
discussion and with proper communication) -- sock puppets for one -- that you 
don't need to invoke organized editing.   If and when we do have a policy, we 
in the osmf will also need to develop clear guidance on how it is communicated 
and implemented.

Mikel

On Friday, April 20, 2018, 8:22 PM, Michael Reichert  
wrote:

Hi,

Am 20.04.2018 um 17:13 schrieb Ian Dees:

I noticed that user Nakaner-repair just reverted 1000+ changesets
throughout the United States without any discussion in the local community.
Nakaner-repair points to a thread in the German forum [0] that seems to
indicate that they think these edits were made by paid mappers. Having not
heard from those suspected paid mappers, they went ahead and reverted
without discussion from the local community.

TL;DR A group of mappers (presumeably from UTC+5) started adding
highway=service and doing wrong quality assurance on roads in Europe and
the U.S. in mid/end of March. British and later German mappers found
these strange edits last week, some German searched for more accounts,
SomeoneElse and myself wrote changeset comments and SomeoneElse (DWG)
blocked many on them.

Unfortunately, the 0-hour user blocks are not as useful as they are
usually (and I expected them to be). They have been ignored and they
continued editing or created sockpuppets. Longer blocks were ignored and
they continued editing after the block. Changeset comments were not
answered or the response did not answer the question.

Since this week, they don't do any QA on roads any more and only add
highway=service in the U.S. They create new accounts if their old
accounts are blocked. This pattern now repeats day by day and the last
resort was to revert their work because that causes financial damage (I
hope they get paid).

Please see some inline comments/responses on Ian's questions below.

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The full story:

On 2018-03-29 Will Phillips writes to the Talk-gb mailing list that he
observed "a series of edits with users removing or changing access and
oneway tags". He describes the quality of these edits as "very poor". At
that time "none of them has yet responded to changeset comments".
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2018-March/021259.html

SomeoneElse suggests him to write an email to d...@osmfoundation.org
(the DWG).
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2018-March/021260.html

I am not subscribed to Talk-gb and did not notice it at that time.

On 2018-04-09 tux67 creates a new thread on the German forum because he
found two users (sri_harsha and Premsakhare) editing roads globally
without local knowledge. He asks other mappers to review their edits.
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=693849#p693849
(contains changeset links)

Premsakhare had received multiple (!) user blocks at that time. The
oldes block was created after the discussion on Talk-gb.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1831
He had been blocked because he did not answer changeset comments asking
for the sources being used. The block was removed automatically when
Premsakhare read it. Premsakhare uploaded more changesets but did not
answer the