Re: [Talk-us] admin_level=8 boundaries in Parker County, TX
TL;DR: Cadastre in the US is untidy. (1) Boundaries through buildings are not at all uncommon. Typically, the landowner owes some apportionment of property tax to both jurisdictions. The people I know who live in property that lies in multiple school districts have the choice of which public school system to send their children to. (2) The municipal boundaries in my part of the world are also at least moderately messed up in OSM. Alas, I don't have any data source that offers the magical combination of (a) authoritative, (b) reasonably accurate, (c) compatibly licensed. Unfortunately, I live in the Second Circuit, the sole juristiction jurisdiction where Experian vs Suffolk County is good law. The legal situation for government data here, given that decision, is murky, owing to the fact that on remand, TRW (Experian's successor-in-interest) settled the case. A Web search for the case title will turn up reams of stuff. Government records cannot be presumed to belong to the People. A lot of patchwork has been done (by Richard Welty and others) in the last few years, and it's not nearly the mess it once was - and kudos to whoever made the lines follow the Thalweg of major rivers! There's a lot more topological consistency than there once was, but I can certainly see places where the lines aren't quite right, even if they're more consistent than they once were. I might do spot fixes to the lines if I happen to find indicia in the field, but I'm not about to go out trying to recover all the survey pins, which is really what it would take to do a proper job. More or less off topic: Don't get me started on the indefinite boundaries up north of here. There are county and township lines that have never been field surveyed accurately. The indefinite ones run mostly through undeveloped forest, and nobody much cares about getting them even third-order accurate, to say nothing of the first order. Gore Mountain https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/357562059#map=14/43.6708/-74.0457 got its name from having been in the gore between two townships - a legacy that can be seen in the not-quite-perpendicular-and-parallel borders of the wilderness area and the ski resort. There, too, nobody much cared - until Barton found garnets in the gore. The ensuing tax disputes eventually led to the creation of a new township. The odd corner at https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/357562059#map=13/44.1364/-74.0841 is an error of closure - yes, a 1.5 km error - in an 18th-century land grant. Surveying that area by traditional methods was ... challenging. https://localwiki.org/hsl/verplanck%20colvin/_files/Division%20of%20Levels.jpg On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 7:12 AM Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Hi, > > I've recently traced a little bit of stuff in Annetta, TX. The area I > looked at had a lot of potential for someone interested in mapping from > aerial imagery (houses, tracks, driveways, parking missing; some > driveways tagged as highway=residential etc.) and I did what I could in > the small area I worked on, but there was one thing I didn't dare touch > and that's admin boundaries. The ones I encountered often cut straight > through residential buildings and I thought that can't be right, but I > know too little about boundaries in the US to fix any of it. I am > specifically talking of > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/114418 > > and > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/33245202 > > - maybe someone local wants to give them a closer look. Maybe it's ok > the way it is. The Annetta North boundary is relatively straight but has > one wobbly bit, is there maybe a waterway missing in OSM? > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] admin_level=8 boundaries in Parker County, TX
When it comes to strange boundaries, I always like to refer to this situation: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/53137#map=15/51.4390/4.9341 Baarle-Hertog is a Belgian enclave (actually some 20 enclaves) in the Netherlands. The main town inside the county is functionally one town together with (Dutch) Baarle-Hertog. Before the Schengen treaty, this led to weird situations with lots of checkpoints and people paying property taxes in two countries. Some more info here: https://brilliantmaps.com/baarle-hertogbaarle-nassau/ -- Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, at 08:41, Kerry Irons wrote: > There are some "famous" court cases where it needed to be determined > where someone lived. First the courts decided that the bedroom would > determine which jurisdiction applied, and then it came down to where the > bed was in the bedroom, and then finally where the person's head was > when they slept. Indeed, boundaries do go through buildings. > > > Kerry Irons > > -Original Message- > From: Greg Troxel > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:02 AM > To: Frederik Ramm > Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] admin_level=8 boundaries in Parker County, TX > > > Frederik Ramm writes: > > > I've recently traced a little bit of stuff in Annetta, TX. The area I > > looked at had a lot of potential for someone interested in mapping > > from aerial imagery (houses, tracks, driveways, parking missing; some > > driveways tagged as highway=residential etc.) and I did what I could > > in the small area I worked on, but there was one thing I didn't dare > > touch and that's admin boundaries. The ones I encountered often cut > > straight through residential buildings and I thought that can't be > > right, but I know too little about boundaries in the US to fix any of > > it. I am specifically talking of > > Not commenting on that boundary (which others say needs help), but the logic > > admin-8 bounadry goes through houses > --> > boundary must be wrong > > is incorrect in the US. Around me, there are multiple houses where the > boundary line indeed goes through them (where I've seen the boundary > markers, seen the houses, and talked to the occupants who pay taxes to > two towns). > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] admin_level=8 boundaries in Parker County, TX
There are some "famous" court cases where it needed to be determined where someone lived. First the courts decided that the bedroom would determine which jurisdiction applied, and then it came down to where the bed was in the bedroom, and then finally where the person's head was when they slept. Indeed, boundaries do go through buildings. Kerry Irons -Original Message- From: Greg Troxel Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:02 AM To: Frederik Ramm Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap Subject: Re: [Talk-us] admin_level=8 boundaries in Parker County, TX Frederik Ramm writes: > I've recently traced a little bit of stuff in Annetta, TX. The area I > looked at had a lot of potential for someone interested in mapping > from aerial imagery (houses, tracks, driveways, parking missing; some > driveways tagged as highway=residential etc.) and I did what I could > in the small area I worked on, but there was one thing I didn't dare > touch and that's admin boundaries. The ones I encountered often cut > straight through residential buildings and I thought that can't be > right, but I know too little about boundaries in the US to fix any of > it. I am specifically talking of Not commenting on that boundary (which others say needs help), but the logic admin-8 bounadry goes through houses --> boundary must be wrong is incorrect in the US. Around me, there are multiple houses where the boundary line indeed goes through them (where I've seen the boundary markers, seen the houses, and talked to the occupants who pay taxes to two towns). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] admin_level=8 boundaries in Parker County, TX
Frederik Ramm writes: > I've recently traced a little bit of stuff in Annetta, TX. The area I > looked at had a lot of potential for someone interested in mapping from > aerial imagery (houses, tracks, driveways, parking missing; some > driveways tagged as highway=residential etc.) and I did what I could in > the small area I worked on, but there was one thing I didn't dare touch > and that's admin boundaries. The ones I encountered often cut straight > through residential buildings and I thought that can't be right, but I > know too little about boundaries in the US to fix any of it. I am > specifically talking of Not commenting on that boundary (which others say needs help), but the logic admin-8 bounadry goes through houses --> boundary must be wrong is incorrect in the US. Around me, there are multiple houses where the boundary line indeed goes through them (where I've seen the boundary markers, seen the houses, and talked to the occupants who pay taxes to two towns). signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
