Re: [Talk-us] The San Jose / Santa Clara border

2019-01-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Do the latest NGS topographical maps show the city limits properly? Those
are public domain
On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 10:16 AM OSM Volunteer stevea <
stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:

> On Jan 26, 2019, at 4:00 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> > A mapper has recently changed this to "cut the corner off" north of the
> 880 between San Jose airport and Stevens Creek Mall / Westfield Valley
> Fair.  You can see the change at
> http://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=66619223=18=37.33883=-121.93327=B0TTTFT
> .
> >
> > Some of this mapper's previous changes have had to be undone, so I did
> check the node change made here to see if it might be one of them.
> However, according to the node history
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/373647840/history#map=13/37.3600/-121.9066
> the original source of this node was a changeset quite a while ago with a
> description "adjust boundaries based on san jose city map, bing, and common
> sense ".  It therefore would be great if a local could check it if possible.
>
> I'm fairly local (SJC is my "home airport") yet I'm not finding
> easily-available San José City Limit boundaries in an ODbL-compatible
> format which I could use to relatively quickly repair the damage.  (The
> user mk408 has a history of "making it up as he sees fit" OSM data entry
> which many have disputed or redacted, for example, many years ago he made
> MANY roads in the entire South Bay region — Campbell, Los Gatos, Monte
> Sereno, southern San José —into highway=tertiary roads, and that remained
> very questionable until it slowly but surely "healed itself," again, this
> took months-to-years).  There are some geo data at
> http://csj-landzoning.appspot.com/index.html which indicate the present
> OSM data are "largely correct," the exception being that the area directly
> over the northern part of the airport do not include the "leg" that
> "covers" runway 12L/30R and that the acute angle over taxiways V, W and W1
> is more like "aligned with these taxiways, rather than cutting across
> them."  You really have to see them rather than expect that I can describe
> them with text.  They are, again, "mostly correct" but could use some
> rather minor correction.
>
> As I bumped into somebody on a plane on my way back from SOTM-US Seattle
> (2016) who works in the San José City Hall and when she met me was bowled
> over at the coincidence that I was the very person sitting next to her
> drinking gin and tonic who entered into OSM most of Santa Clara County's
> bikeways/bicycle infrastructure and network=lcn routing (which the city
> office found "extremely helpful" — her words), it's conceivable that I
> might be able to use that to sway release of some data which could be
> forthcoming.  While I don't know quite who to call, exactly, if somebody
> wants to "release to me" ODbL-compatible data which need to be harmonized
> with what are now in OSM, I'll volunteer to be the "nexus of citizen entry"
> to assure they find their way into our wonderful map.  Send me a pointer to
> the data, assure me they are ODbL-OK and I'll "merge" these into OSM.
>
> SteveA
> California
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Re: [Talk-us] The San Jose / Santa Clara border

2019-01-26 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Jan 26, 2019, at 4:00 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> A mapper has recently changed this to "cut the corner off" north of the 880 
> between San Jose airport and Stevens Creek Mall / Westfield Valley Fair.  You 
> can see the change at 
> http://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=66619223=18=37.33883=-121.93327=B0TTTFT
>  .
> 
> Some of this mapper's previous changes have had to be undone, so I did check 
> the node change made here to see if it might be one of them.  However, 
> according to the node history 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/373647840/history#map=13/37.3600/-121.9066 
> the original source of this node was a changeset quite a while ago with a 
> description "adjust boundaries based on san jose city map, bing, and common 
> sense ".  It therefore would be great if a local could check it if possible.

I'm fairly local (SJC is my "home airport") yet I'm not finding 
easily-available San José City Limit boundaries in an ODbL-compatible format 
which I could use to relatively quickly repair the damage.  (The user mk408 has 
a history of "making it up as he sees fit" OSM data entry which many have 
disputed or redacted, for example, many years ago he made MANY roads in the 
entire South Bay region — Campbell, Los Gatos, Monte Sereno, southern San José 
—into highway=tertiary roads, and that remained very questionable until it 
slowly but surely "healed itself," again, this took months-to-years).  There 
are some geo data at http://csj-landzoning.appspot.com/index.html which 
indicate the present OSM data are "largely correct," the exception being that 
the area directly over the northern part of the airport do not include the 
"leg" that "covers" runway 12L/30R and that the acute angle over taxiways V, W 
and W1 is more like "aligned with these taxiways, rather than cutting across 
them."  You really have to see them rather than expect that I can describe them 
with text.  They are, again, "mostly correct" but could use some rather minor 
correction.

As I bumped into somebody on a plane on my way back from SOTM-US Seattle (2016) 
who works in the San José City Hall and when she met me was bowled over at the 
coincidence that I was the very person sitting next to her drinking gin and 
tonic who entered into OSM most of Santa Clara County's bikeways/bicycle 
infrastructure and network=lcn routing (which the city office found "extremely 
helpful" — her words), it's conceivable that I might be able to use that to 
sway release of some data which could be forthcoming.  While I don't know quite 
who to call, exactly, if somebody wants to "release to me" ODbL-compatible data 
which need to be harmonized with what are now in OSM, I'll volunteer to be the 
"nexus of citizen entry" to assure they find their way into our wonderful map.  
Send me a pointer to the data, assure me they are ODbL-OK and I'll "merge" 
these into OSM.

SteveA
California
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