Re: [Talk-us] Railway improvements; stations vs. halts
According to the wiki page, railway=halt is mainly used for "A small station, may not have a platform, trains may only stop on request." The presence of points/switches is only significant in Germany. I would recommend reverting to railway=station for any which have platforms and are regularly scheduled places for the train to stop. -Joseph Eisenberg On 1/8/20, Clay Smalley wrote: > Hi all, > > Over the last few months, I've been doing some systematic improvements to > the passenger railway network across North America. Much of this has been > filling out public_transport=stop_area relations for every railway station, > including stop positions and platforms, as well as verifying the geometry > of the underlying railways and classifying them (usage=*, service=*). My > goal here is to prepare the map such that route relations can be more > meaningful and accurately describe which track each train uses. > > In the course of doing this, I got a tap on the shoulder [1] and found out > I was using a definition of railway=halt that may not match up with what > people were expecting. As far as I know now, railway=station was originally > intended for stations where trains are always scheduled to stop, and > railway=halt for flag stops (aka request stops). In the German OSM > community, there was a decision made for railway=halt to be used on > stations that are missing switches, which means trains cannot switch > tracks, terminate or reverse direction there—a distinction more relevant to > railway operations and scheduling. Naturally, there are quite a lot more of > these than flag stops. > > I'm in a predicament here. So far, I've mapped all Amtrak stations and > various commuter rail stations across the Northeast according to the > no-switches definition of halt. I'm happy to revert these back to stations > (wherever they aren't flag stops), though I'd like to hear others' thoughts > before going through with that. > > -Clay > > [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/77959450 > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] User in Florida changing several motorways to trunk
I was just alerted to this by a friend, and thought I'd post about it here as well, since I don't really have the time to work on doing all the reverting that unfortunately needs to be done here (there's a lot). But over the last 2 weeks, there's been a user changing several 100% motorways (& are toll highways to boot) that just happen to be state highways in Florida from motorway to trunk. This is mostly as far as I can tell in the Orlando area, but might affect other areas in FL too. I did leave the user a message on Changeset 79155661 ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/79155661 ). Hoping he will see it, but with all the major highways that have been seriously demoted in priority that could seriously affect routing very badly, I honestly couldn't wait for a response before I posted a message to here as well. Anybody willing to help out here in restoring the motorway tags to the proper highways? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Railway improvements; stations vs. halts
Hi all, Over the last few months, I've been doing some systematic improvements to the passenger railway network across North America. Much of this has been filling out public_transport=stop_area relations for every railway station, including stop positions and platforms, as well as verifying the geometry of the underlying railways and classifying them (usage=*, service=*). My goal here is to prepare the map such that route relations can be more meaningful and accurately describe which track each train uses. In the course of doing this, I got a tap on the shoulder [1] and found out I was using a definition of railway=halt that may not match up with what people were expecting. As far as I know now, railway=station was originally intended for stations where trains are always scheduled to stop, and railway=halt for flag stops (aka request stops). In the German OSM community, there was a decision made for railway=halt to be used on stations that are missing switches, which means trains cannot switch tracks, terminate or reverse direction there—a distinction more relevant to railway operations and scheduling. Naturally, there are quite a lot more of these than flag stops. I'm in a predicament here. So far, I've mapped all Amtrak stations and various commuter rail stations across the Northeast according to the no-switches definition of halt. I'm happy to revert these back to stations (wherever they aren't flag stops), though I'd like to hear others' thoughts before going through with that. -Clay [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/77959450 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] USFS trail/road/route numbers
In my area there seems to be a mix of how the US Forest Service route numbers are tagged on roads and trails. The main variations seem to be: name=“Forest Route 9N24” name=“FR 9N24” alt_name=“Forest Route 9N24” alt_name=“FR 9N24” ref=“FR 9N24” ref=“9N24” Things I’ve seen in the wiki that might pertain cover “National Forest Trails” [1] which seems to want a tag of “route_no” or “trail_no”. That just seems wrong. And in the United States roads tagging [2] which seems to prefer tagging like: ref=“NFR 9N24” Which I don’t recall seeing in my area. What should the preferred tagging be? My inclination would be to migrate the tagging in my area toward that listed on the US road tagging page (e.g. ref=“NFR 9N24”) even though my preference (for printed map display purposes) would be to simply use ref=“9N24”. Opinions? Thanks! Tod [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data#National_Forest_Trails [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#National_forest_primary_routes signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
