Re: [Talk-us] Mapping for emergency services
That's a good point, but only if the surrounding areas are well mapped in OSM. In my district of focus, I still encounter TIGER tangles as soon as I cross the county border. I try to go a bit further knowing that they answer partner district calls, and it's hard to stop when there's so much to do there. One of my caveats was that it might find addresses outside of their district, but routing directions would be unpredictable for now. On 2/3/2020 7:37 PM, Richard Welty wrote: a major selling point can focus on out of district response; often FDs know their own area well, but when they go to support other companies they often don't know a whole lot about the place they're responding to. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mapping for emergency services
a major selling point can focus on out of district response; often
FDs know their own area well, but when they go to support other
companies they often don't know a whole lot about the place they're
responding to.
richard
On 2/3/20 6:59 PM, Mike N wrote:
> Mike,
> It is a rather unique set of circumstances that make this project a
> good fit:
> - The county does not map most driveways
> - The degree of rural-ness, hills, and trees
> - Most trees are deciduous, making the off-leaf imagery good for
> locating hidden driveways.
> - The region is a mix of economics - some nice newer houses, many
> older houses / trailers. The FD must manage their budget carefully:
> they declined the $15K app from the county that probably just shows GIS
> data with latest roads and address numbers. It wouldn't necessarily
> locate driveway entrances since the data doesn't have those. Even if it
> showed off-leaf imagery, a co-pilot wouldn't have time to study out a
> driveway on the way to a call.
>
> If the official data source did have driveways and a navigation app,
> I'll admit it would be hard to try OSM. Or even the fire district I
> live in with much shorter driveways, {CommercialMapper} would find
> nearly every address almost exactly.
>
> The fire chief is eager to present the project to the next meeting of
> fire chiefs in the area. I'll be interested to hear the comments from
> the other districts.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 2/3/2020 9:57 AM, Mike Thompson wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> That is a very compelling story. Thanks to you and the other OSM
>> folks involved for making it happen and to you for writing the diary
>> entry. I have often thought that OSM would be a great resource
>> emergency responders because in some areas it contains data that no
>> one else has, but generally the reaction that I have gotten when I
>> have suggested this to such officials was "we have our own data", "we
>> have already invested in xyz system" (sunk cost fallacy), or "how can
>> we trust OSM?". The exception was a search and rescue group that used
>> OSM to help locate missing people in the back country because OSM
>> contains trails that no other source has.
>>
>> Is this being publicised outside of the OSM community? There are
>> probably associations for fire fighters and other emergency response
>> professionals and perhaps someone from the FD involved could speak
>> about this project at one of their conferences to get agencies in
>> other parts of the country (or world) interested.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
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Mike,
It is a rather unique set of circumstances that make this project
a good fit:
- The county does not map most driveways
- The degree of rural-ness, hills, and trees
- Most trees are deciduous, making the off-leaf imagery good for
locating hidden driveways.
- The region is a mix of economics - some nice newer houses, many
older houses / trailers. The FD must manage their budget carefully:
they declined the $15K app from the county that probably just shows GIS
data with latest roads and address numbers. It wouldn't necessarily
locate driveway entrances since the data doesn't have those. Even if it
showed off-leaf imagery, a co-pilot wouldn't have time to study out a
driveway on the way to a call.
If the official data source did have driveways and a navigation app,
I'll admit it would be hard to try OSM. Or even the fire district I
live in with much shorter driveways, {CommercialMapper} would find
nearly every address almost exactly.
The fire chief is eager to present the project to the next meeting of
fire chiefs in the area. I'll be interested to hear the comments from
the other districts.
Mike
On 2/3/2020 9:57 AM, Mike Thompson wrote:
Mike,
That is a very compelling story. Thanks to you and the other OSM folks
involved for making it happen and to you for writing the diary entry. I
have often thought that OSM would be a great resource emergency
responders because in some areas it contains data that no one else has,
but generally the reaction that I have gotten when I have suggested this
to such officials was "we have our own data", "we have already invested
in xyz system" (sunk cost fallacy), or "how can we trust OSM?". The
exception was a search and rescue group that used OSM to help locate
missing people in the back country because OSM contains trails that no
other source has.
Is this being publicised outside of the OSM community? There are
probably associations for fire fighters and other emergency response
professionals and perhaps someone from the FD involved could speak about
this project at one of their conferences to get agencies in other parts
of the country (or world) interested.
Mike
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Re: [Talk-us] Mapping for emergency services
Mike, That is a very compelling story. Thanks to you and the other OSM folks involved for making it happen and to you for writing the diary entry. I have often thought that OSM would be a great resource emergency responders because in some areas it contains data that no one else has, but generally the reaction that I have gotten when I have suggested this to such officials was "we have our own data", "we have already invested in xyz system" (sunk cost fallacy), or "how can we trust OSM?". The exception was a search and rescue group that used OSM to help locate missing people in the back country because OSM contains trails that no other source has. Is this being publicised outside of the OSM community? There are probably associations for fire fighters and other emergency response professionals and perhaps someone from the FD involved could speak about this project at one of their conferences to get agencies in other parts of the country (or world) interested. Mike On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 12:47 PM Mike N wrote: > Not an emergency, but still interesting when someone can use OSM data: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/MikeN/diary/392080 > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
