[Talk-us] confusing state of USFS trail names in Oregon

[Dion Dock]

I did some mountain biking around Bend, Oregon this summer.  Apparently the 
Deschutes Ranger District of the US Forest Service can’t decide what to call 
their trails.  For example, at the Skyliners trailhead, there’s a sign that says
SKYLINER TRAIL NO. 28
JCT. WOOPS TRAIL NO 50 2 1/2

One of the USFS maps calls it the Woops trail, 
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd639418.pdf 
.  And there’s 
another map that I can’t find that seems to back this one up.
Their web site calls it the Whoops Trail with no number, 
https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/deschutes/recreation/bicycling/recarea/?recid=38294=24
 
.

There’s similar disagreement about Skyliner Trail vs Skyliners.

So…is this worth trying to straighten out?  Supposedly the trails all have 
numbers but I can’t find a reliable source (e.g. nothing else gives Whoops #50).

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for dealing with old TIGER tags?

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I can guarantee I haven’t been on those roads.  :)  I’d call the former 
highway=tertiary because it has the centerline.  No centerline, I’d call it 
residential.

What I meant by “rural residential roads” looks a lot like 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/47.89747/-118.10358.  Lost in the woods 
rural.

Gravel roads are tricky.  I’d probably say highway=residential, surface=gravel. 
 The wiki is more specific about highway=track for “agricultural or forest”; it 
didn’t say that in the past.  I’d like to see highway=gravel at the top level, 
since they’re s usually avoided by bicycles and motorcycles, but it’s too late 
for that now.

Again, it seems like the US is trying to take an official designation from 
elsewhere and apply it to our country.  Plus, since almost all of the TIGER 
import is highway=residential, changing roads to highway=unclassified is a 
monumental task.

-Dion

> From: Mark Wagner <mark+...@carnildo.com>
> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for dealing with old TIGER tags?
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> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:21:07 -0700
> Dion Dock <dion_d...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> I think the rural residential roads are either “highway=service”,
>> “highway=track” or “highway=path”.  I think “highway=residential”
>> should always have a name.  Service might or might not have a name,
>> same for path and track.
> 
> You must be driving on a different set of roads than me.  Consider
> South Bank Road (OSM:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/47.8602/-117.6751, Google:
> https://www.google.com/maps/@47.8555045,-117.6814056,14z).  It doesn't
> connect anywhere to anywhere, so it's not tertiary or above, but
> "highway=service" doesn't seem appropriate for a road that provides
> access to about a hundred scattered houses and two little-known parks,
> and "highway=track" seems wrong for eight miles of paved two-lane
> public road.
> 
> Or if that seems too built-up, how about Glenwood Road
> (OSM:https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/46.9380/-117.2812,
> Google: https://www.google.com/maps/@46.9391634,-117.2896051,14z).
> Four miles of high-quality two-lane gravel road, providing access to
> some farms and a home or two.
> 
> There's a definite need for a road level between "this is how you
> travel from town A to town B" and "this is how you make your final
> approach to your destination".  "highway=unclassified" seems like it
> works well there.
> 
> -- 
> Mark
> 


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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for dealing with old TIGER tags?

[Dion Dock]

Loud opinions follow.  Be warned.  :)

I wish “unclassified” would just die in the USA.  I think it has a formal 
meaning in other countries (see also “living_street”) but doesn’t have meaning 
in the USA.  Further, since almost all of the TIGER import didn’t use it, it’s 
just creating busywork to apply it in place of existing tags.  However, since 
it’s defined on the Wiki, everyone tries to find a place for it.  I would 
compare this to having a tag of “prime minister”.  Yes, it means something 
somewhere, but not here.

I think the rural residential roads are either “highway=service”, 
“highway=track” or “highway=path”.  I think “highway=residential” should always 
have a name.  Service might or might not have a name, same for path and track.

In general, people should not be encouraged to take path/service/track when 
there is a residential road.

I basically never remove the tiger:reviewed tag; typically because it’s another 
step that isn’t easily supported by most tools.

-Dion

> Eric Ladner  writes:
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:58 AM Greg Troxel  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Kevin Kenny  writes:
>>> 
 OK, 'residential' if it looks like 'subdivision', 'unclassified'
 otherwise (as long as it's drivable in, say, my daughter's car rather
 than my 4-wheeler). Got it.
>>> 
>>> I also see a distinction between residential/unclassified as denoting a
>>> legal road (around me, carved-out parcel wise from the surrounding land)
>>> vs track and some service denoting a non-legal-road.  However, others
>>> see the physical and legal attributes as separate.
>>> 
>> My understanding of the description of "unclassified" is unclassified is a
>> step between residential and tertiary.   It's a connecting road, minor
>> connector, whatever, that doesn't have residential on it, but it's not high
>> enough in classification to make it a tertiary road.
> 
> I agree with that notion.
> 
>> I usually use it for roads in industrial complexes, loops around malls,
>> business complexes, or other connectors/roads where there's no obvious
>> residential around.
> 
> Mostly agree, but I only use it for legal roads, not driveways or
> private roads.  Meaning someplace where (in new england) it's legally
> separate and the public has a right of access.


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[Talk-us] what happened to the Mt. Hood National Forest?

[Dion Dock]

Any thoughts?  It was there last year, 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/45.3628/-121.7972.

BTW, how does one find an area that was deleted?  

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Re: [Talk-us] Marion and Lane County, Oregon county roads

[Dion Dock]

 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 07:07:29 -0500
 From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
 To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Marion and Lane County, Oregon county roads
 Message-ID: 529c7801.2080...@averillpark.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 On 12/2/13 3:50 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote:
 On 23:48 2013-12-01, Paul Johnson wrote:
 
  As far as I'm aware, based on over 25 years of living and traveling in
 Oregon ending in roughly 2010, no Oregon county prominently marks county
 reference numbers, which would make the vast majority, if not all, of
 the county route numbers in Oregon on ways invalid under the current
 tagging scheme (even if technically correct).
 
 first, verify whether these two counties follow the practice
 of unsigned county routes. if they do, then convert to unsigned_ref
 (in NY most counties sign their routes, but several do not. it is
 within the realm of possibility that in OR, most counties do not,
 but some do.)
 Is it possible that these route relations were converted from
 `name_1=County Route 123` tags in TIGER ways? TIGER data in Ohio is
 littered with such tags, and I've been converting them into relations
 in counties that are known to signpost county routes.
 
 that's certainly one reason. another potential reason is that
 some mapper became familiar with the county highway
 department inventory numbering system and added those.
 i'm moving a bunch of those to unsigned_ref in Westchester
 County NY (unsigned CRs) right now.
 
 richard

I think the interns at TriMet added the ref= tag to the county roads.  Paul's 
right, Yamhill, Multnomah, Marion, Clackamas and Washington counties don't put 
sign county reference numbers; I figured it was a side effect of what renderer 
chooses to draw.  I had no idea there was an unsigned_ref= tag.  (Maybe someday 
we'll get a county-specific renderer instead of handling that at the tagging 
level.)

That said, I'm not planning on volunteering to switch the tags from ref= to 
unsigned_ref=.  Maybe someday.

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Re: [Talk-us] Currently available good GPS for use with OSM mapping in the USA?

[Dion Dock]

 
 On 11/24/13 9:17 PM, Joseph R. Justice wrote:
 [I am subscribed to Talk-US and will see responses to this message
 sent to that list.  -- J]
 
 So, I've been thinking about getting involved with OSM, particularly
 in terms of improving the map in the area I live in (Fort Lauderdale,
 FL, USA).  Looking through the wiki, the Beginner's Guide, and all of
 that, it seems like one of the most popular and useful ways to do that
 is to collect and upload GPS traces.  That's something I can do on the
 ground in my area, and at a pretty detailed level because I'd be doing
 it on foot.

I've used a Garmin GPSmap 60CSx.  I think it records a point every second--or 
maybe it's every 5--I can't find the setting in the menus at the  moment.  
Saving tracks to the micro SD card will strip off their timestamps and OSM 
rejects tracks without timestamps.  You could still trace them or import them 
with JOSM, probably.

The unit itself is disappointing.  The buttons broke--Menu quit working.  I 
sent it back for a $100 repair.  I feel like it didn't get much use before 
breaking.

Like others have said, aerial imagery is typically much better than GPS tracks. 
 GPS is OK for hiking trails, esp. if you have multiple tracks so you can 
choose start to see how the waypoints average.

have fun,
-Dion


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[Talk-us] JOSM MacOS fail

[Dion Dock]

Has anyone noticed that holding Option+click no longer scrolls the window?  I 
filed a defect which was downgraded and duplicated and still is open. It 
basically breaks my workflow.  Does anyone know which old version works?

Dion


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Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow

[Dion Dock]

 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:38:29 -0500
 From: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org
 To: Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org
 Cc: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org, OpenStreetMap Talk-US Mailing List
   talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.orgwrote:
 
 But how would such a thing be tagged?
 
 
 By boundary, what's the next level below city?
 
 
 For instance, here in Portland, we have defined neighborhoods, which have
 neighborhood associations, and a city bureau (the Office of Neighborhood
 Involvement) dedicated to working with those organizations. They are, in a
 very real, if not technically legal sense, administrative units of the City.
 
 
 Portland calls them districts, with the exception of the Rose Quarter,
 but there's no distinction between district and quarter in the Portland
 sense, and they do have defined boundaries.  Pretty sure ONI would be happy
 to point you in the right direction.

Many new neighborhoods are built by a single builder and are conveniently 
named, Arbor Heights for example, 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.55768lon=-122.81313zoom=17layers=M.  
Group several of these together to form an, um, neighborhood.

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[Talk-us] JOSM panning on MacOS?

[Dion Dock]

Did something go wrong with JOSM recently?  I find I can no longer pan the 
screen with Option-click.

thanks,
-Dion
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Re: [Talk-us] JOSM panning on MacOS?

[Dion Dock]

Sorry, v5990.  One (none?) button mouse.

-Dion

On Jun 10, 2013, at 9:35 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:

 
 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Dion Dock dion_d...@comcast.net wrote:
 Did something go wrong with JOSM recently?  I find I can no longer pan the 
 screen with Option-click.
 
 What version? I'm running 5978 with no problem. I do have a 3 button mouse if 
 that makes a difference.
 
 
 -- 
 Clifford
 
 OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch

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[Talk-us] non-round roundabouts

[Dion Dock]

Maybe you've seen this before, but I haven't.  Here are some roundabouts that 
are teardrop shaped; the intersection somewhat resembles a dumbbell.  Is there 
supposed to be a no left turn restriction?  Are these even roundabouts?

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.92721lon=-122.75631zoom=16layers=M

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Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

[Dion Dock]

 
 At 2012-04-10 07:29, Mike N wrote:
 On 4/10/2012 10:17 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
 A roundabout (or mini_roundabout) implies to me (although it is not
 defined on the wiki) that there is more than one entry / exit road. So
 intuitively I'd say that is not an appropriate tag.
 
  I agree, this is not a roundabout.  I use turning_circle, unless there 
 is an island in the middle, in which case I draw the circular way as used 
 in this example.
 
 +1, unless I have a limited amount of time and a bunch of them with islands 
 in a tract, and then I tag them as turning_circle, too. I don't think 
 there's much difference here - it's about degrees of accuracy.
 
 --
 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net

I use mini-roundabout for turning circles with islands in the middle.  What can 
I say, maybe I'm just lazy.  It provides a bit more information than just 
turning circle without the work of drawing four ways.

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Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 51, Issue 19

[Dion Dock]

You're assuming the street signs make sense.  Do you preserve signs with 
mistakes or omissions?

In Wilsonville, OR, there are some signs for St Moritz Loop and St. Moritz 
Loop.  Yes, with and without the period, and both expand to Saint.  There 
are also plenty of signs that leave out the Southwest entirely, although it 
really is the correct designation for the street.  There's even Southwest 
Villebois Drive South.

-Dion

 From: Mike N nice...@att.net
 
 On 2/17/2012 3:02 AM, Alan Mintz wrote:
 if the name has been edited by a human, it should not be updated by a
 bot, or even another human unless they are willing to prove their edit.
 I've edited thousands of names based on photo surveys and official
 record research and wouldn't want that high-quality data corrupted.
 
 For myself, I don't know how to determine what the correct name would 
 be ... if it doesn't match the street sign, I'd be inclined to change it 
 to agree with the sign, unless there's a 'note' tag to other mappers. 
 Similarly, an 'anti-abbreviation-bot' tag would prevent bots from 
 undoing your research.

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Re: [Talk-us] OSM inspector routing layer now also available in the US

[Dion Dock]

 
 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 23:09:33 -0400
 From: Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com
 To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] OSM inspector routing layer now also available
   in the US
 Message-ID: 4e8bca6d.8090...@gmail.com
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 On 10/4/2011 9:44 PM, Dion Dock wrote:
 On 10/4/2011 2:09 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
 Try selecting both nodes and using m to merge them.  drag-select, m.
 One mouse gesture, one keypress.  Easy.
 
 No!  If you have two different items with a duplicate node, for example, a 
 street and a landuse=, then you have combined them into one.  Good luck at 
 separating them back into their individual parts.
 
 Can you give an example of two ways where this happens?

Thankfully, not anymore.  

This had happened at one point here 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.506654lon=-122.649118zoom=18layers=M 
and here
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.479346lon=-122.627215zoom=18layers=M

In the former, the garden was sharing boundaries with the streets.  In the 
latter, the college was connected to the street.  The editors then have trouble 
telling which way you're referring to.  So, for example, if an alley is added, 
it might connect to the college boundary but not to the street.

-Dion
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Re: [Talk-us] OSM inspector routing layer now also available in the US

[Dion Dock]

 
 On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10/4/2011 2:09 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 On 10/04/2011 03:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
 
 Ah, the county line dupe problem. It would be nice if
 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/5867 were fixed.
 
 Personally I think OSM suffers too much from automated edits already. I
 am a big fan of people editing things while actually looking at them,
 rather than doing a few select-all/fix-all keystrokes without even
 knowing what gets fixed.
 
 Currently the only way to fix a dupe node in JOSM is to delete one and then
 re-extend all ways back to the other. If the node is in the middle of one of
 these ways, you also have to split. This is way too much work to fix a
 common issue.
 
 Try selecting both nodes and using m to merge them.  drag-select, m.
 One mouse gesture, one keypress.  Easy.

No!  If you have two different items with a duplicate node, for example, a 
street and a landuse=, then you have combined them into one.  Good luck at 
separating them back into their individual parts.

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Re: [Talk-us] highway=cycleway or highway=path

[Dion Dock]

Here's my opinion, and we all know what opinions are worth.  :)

I can understand why highway=path makes sense from a routing perspective.  

However, when I look at Mapnik, I want to see the way's intended use.  I'm sure 
there are plenty of counterexamples, but in my experience, all paths allow 
pedestrians, while only some allow bikes and/or horses.  This renders nicely 
too: bikes get one color, horses another, foot another.  So put me on Paul's 
side for this.

(Of course, I'm also of the opinion that highway=footway should imply 
surface=paved, highway=path implies surface=gravel or dirt and highway=cycleway 
implies surface=paved.)

That said, it's probably better to be consistent than correct.  I've grown 
tired of trying to convince other contributors of the proper types.  Now I just 
sit back and watch the trails in Forest Park change tags every week.  ;)

-Dion

 Message: 7
 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:10:39 -0700
 From: PJ Houser stephanie.jean.hou...@gmail.com
 To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 Cc: osm-...@googlegroups.com, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] highway=cycleway or highway=path
 Message-ID: BANLkTi=wktqodm2syffel-yznesus6n...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 Well, I have a conundrum here in Portland, Oregon. The 4 TriMet mappers here
 in Portland would prefer to tag all multi-use paths as paths, with
 bicycle=designated, particularly because we are attempting to make the
 Portland area routable. OpenTripPlanner, the multi-modal routing software
 we'll be using, routes for walking, bicycling, cars, and transit, so I'm
 hoping to let paths be paths because that implies bicycle AND pedestrian are
 legally allowed equal access. However, a fellow user, Paul Johnson, favors
 highway=cycleway for designated multi-use paths. I am cc-ing him for his
 input, as there is probably a good reason he prefers cycleways. I am also
 cc-ing the OSM-PDX google group for their input.
 
 Terms:
 Cycleway: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway The
 highway=cycleway indicates that the used way is mainly or exclusively for
 bicycles. Some consider it better to use highway=path if use is not
 restricted to cyclists.
 Path: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath This tag is
 used for paths for which all and any of highgway=footway, highway=cycleway,
 and highway=bridleway would be inappropriate or inadequate (or simply not
 sufficient), but which are nonetheless usable for travel or navigation. They
 might be not intended for any particular use, or intended for several
 different uses. Intended uses can be indicated with the access=designated
 keys. It is also used for hiking trails.
 
 Some examples of multi-use paths tagged as highway=cycleway:
 Eastbank Esplanade
 http://www.portlandonline.com/parks/finder/index.cfm?PropertyID=105action=ViewPark
 Morrison Bridge Multi-use Path
 http://bikeportland.org/2011/06/10/morrison-bridge-path-to-close-for-construction-project-54559
 Hawthorne Bridge, with both pedestrian and bicycle markings
 http://bikeportland.org/2005/11/21/hawthorne-bridge-gets-new-markings-673.
 
 Traffic stats:
 In 2008, the breakdown for peak-hour (4-6 pm) usage of these trails shows
 that cyclists usually dominate, but pedestrians make up from 15% to 50% of
 the traffic.
 http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?c=34778a=292746
 
 
 --
 PJ Houser
 Trimet
 GIS intern
 username: PJ Houser


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Re: [Talk-us] Huge erroneous military landuse

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 Message: 7
 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:52:52 -0400
 From: Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com
 To: OpenStreetMap talk-us list talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Huge erroneous military landuse
 Message-ID: 4de98ff4.3060...@gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 
 On 6/3/2011 9:43 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.722lon=-75.094zoom=10layers=M
 I'm currently looking for the source; please report here if you find and
 fix it first.
 
 Oh wow. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonSquare/edits contains the 
 following:
 landuse=military on the US border
 religion=christian denomination=anglican landuse=cemetery on the UK
 leisure=park on France
 landuse=forest on Canada
 
 All fixed. Could this have been accidental, or is it likely to be 
 deliberate vandalism?

I'm curious.

a) How did you find this particular change?
b) How did you fix? 

Is this on the wiki somewhere?

thanks,
-Dion

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[Talk-us] red light cameras?

[Dion Dock]

There's a tagging convention for speed cameras, highway=speed_camera, 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dspeed_camera.

Is there a convention for red light cameras?

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Re: [Talk-us] Minimum standards for motorways?

[Dion Dock]

 Question: what do people think about minimum standards for tagging
 something highway=motorway? In other words, would it be reasonable to
 tag a highway as trunk rather than motorway because it has no
 shoulders or a low speed limit (40 mph)?

There are plenty of motorways in Portland OR that have no, or minimal, 
shoulders.  I think the defining trait of a motorway is there are no traffic 
lights.  I can think of a road that looks like an interstate highway even to 
the 55 mph speed limit but it has traffic lights.  That says trunk to me.

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Re: [Talk-us] What would you want done with TIGER 2010?

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:05:40 -0400
From: Antony Pegg anttheli...@gmail.com
To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-us] What would you want done with TIGER 2010?
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Hi Everyone,

First time mailing, probably overdue, but I've been reading for a  
while.


Got a question I'm hoping will spark some discussion:

What would you like to see done (or NOT see done) with TIGER 2010 as  
regards

OSM when it is released?


Merging it into areas that have been edited would be an interesting  
problem.


One thing that might be nice is to get names added to roads that have  
been

traced from imagery.  Again, not easy to do.



I'm very interested in the why behind any suggestions, and would  
love to

hear what everyone has to say

Thanks,
Ant


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Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 31, Issue 7

[Dion Dock]

The NAIP imagery is the best I've seen for JOSM.  The pictures are  
very recent and the detail is amazing.


-Dion



Message: 1
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:35:04 -0500
From: Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] USGS National Map aerial imagery
Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk-us@openstreetmap.org
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Unfortunately they don't have anything in that resolution for the area
I'm editing right now (western Kansas) however I was looking at the
USGS site earlier today and there is the NAIP imagery which is at
least better than Yahoo for this area. I believe the NAIP imagery is
nationwide. Taking the above URL and modifying it with the NAIP server
and layer name gives me the following which seems to work in JOSM with
the WMS plugin:

http://isse.cr.usgs.gov/arcgis/services/Combined/SDDS_Imagery/MapServer/WMSServer?SERVICE=WMSVERSION=1.1.1STYLES=SRS=EPSG:4326FORMAT=image/pnglayers=0request=map;

Toby


On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:59 AM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:

I just had some success with JOSM/WMS. This URL seems to work:

http://imsortho.cr.usgs.gov:80/wmsconnector/com.esri.wms.Esrimap/USGS_EDC_Ortho_Massachusetts?SERVICE=WMSVERSION=1.1.1STYLES=SRS=EPSG:4326FORMAT=image/pngBGCOLOR=0x00TRANSPARENT=trueLAYERS=BostonMA_0.15m_Color_Apr_2008_02REQUEST=map;


?Thanks, I was able to get my area to work from that also.


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[Talk-us] adding images in Map Features wiki page

[Dion Dock]

There are a bunch of symbols that are now rendered but don't appear on  
the Map Features page.  For example, cave entrance on the main page 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Natural 
) or its own sub page 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dcave_entrance 
) is now rendered by Osmarender. It's not clear to me where those  
files are on the wiki and how they got there. If you can give me a  
pointer I'll update a bunch of them.

thanks,
-Dion

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