Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, fake map.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:08 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > How old is the satellite view, do we even know, or are we making a fake map here. In JOSM, if you right click on Bing Imagery, Show Tile Info, it will display "Metadata Capture Date", which is the date, or range of dates, when the image was captured. I don't think other sources have this feature. > > what about fact checking ? The details you have added (fence, way not running all the way through, etc.) are wonderful, but probably no overhead imagery source, no matter how recent, is going to show that detail, especially with the tree cover in that area. Remote mappers can do a lot of good, sometimes they get things wrong. It is great that you are local and can correct these things. Mike ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, fake map.
>How old is the satellite view, do we even know, or are we making a fake map >here. > >what about fact checking ? >>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:58 PM -05:00 from James < james2...@gmail.com >: >> >>as have I, I don't live it Africa, made edits there, I certainly don't live >>in North Korea, made edits there, I don't live in Florida, made edits there. >>What's your point being 100miles away? Some of these places I have visited, >>some I haven't >>On Tue., Jun. 16, 2020, 1:54 p.m. Hauke Stieler, < m...@hauke-stieler.de > >>wrote: >>>I made edits from 2000km away from where I live. But I was there on >>>vacation. It's possible that these editors were there, even if they >>>aren't locals ;) >>> >>>Just be happy about good edits in your region and talk to them if you >>>have something to discuss. >>> >>>Hauke >>> >>>On 16.06.20 19:24, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles away. Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley < claysmal...@gmail.com >: Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you started a conversation with the person who made that edit? On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: Added a service road. Edited about hours ago by Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >>>___ >>>talk mailing list >>>t...@openstreetmap.org >>>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>___ >>talk mailing list >>t...@openstreetmap.org >>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.
ok ! >Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:14 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley >: > >To be clear, you mean that everyone is mapping incorrectly if they are not >local? That's an absurd premise—lots of mappers do valuable remote work >without having to be on the ground and see what they're mapping in person. Of >course, disputes arise between local mappers and remote mappers, and it's best >to follow the judgment of local mappers in such situations. But it's a stretch >to say that remote mappers are always wrong. > >Complaining to the mailing list won't make anything better. You have the power >to fix this yourself. What's holding you back? >On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:20 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>I meant everbody is if they are not local. >> >> >>>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:17 PM -05:00 from Maarten Deen < md...@xs4all.nl >: >>> >>>On 2020-06-16 18:09, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: Added a service road. Edited about hours ago by Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm >>>If you think it is fake, you first comment on the changeset and ask the >>>mapper to explain. Or look at his profile and see if you can get more >>>information about the mapper. >>>If you think the mapper is continuously mapping incorrectly you can >>>address the OSMF. But than you need to be able to show some kind of >>>dialog with the mapper in question and show that he is repeatedly and >>>purpousfully mapping incorrectly. >>> >>>Regards, >>>Maarten >> >> >> >> ___ >>Talk-us mailing list >>Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >___ >Talk-us mailing list >Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.
To be clear, you mean that everyone is mapping incorrectly if they are not local? That's an absurd premise—lots of mappers do valuable remote work without having to be on the ground and see what they're mapping in person. Of course, disputes arise between local mappers and remote mappers, and it's best to follow the judgment of local mappers in such situations. But it's a stretch to say that remote mappers are always wrong. Complaining to the mailing list won't make anything better. You have the power to fix this yourself. What's holding you back? On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:20 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I meant everbody is if they are not local. > > > > Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:17 PM -05:00 from Maarten Deen >: > > On 2020-06-16 18:09, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: > > Added a service road. > > > > Edited about hours ago by > > > > Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 > > > > https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm > > If you think it is fake, you first comment on the changeset and ask the > mapper to explain. Or look at his profile and see if you can get more > information about the mapper. > If you think the mapper is continuously mapping incorrectly you can > address the OSMF. But than you need to be able to show some kind of > dialog with the mapper in question and show that he is repeatedly and > purpousfully mapping incorrectly. > > Regards, > Maarten > > > > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.
I meant everbody is if they are not local. >Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:17 PM -05:00 from Maarten Deen : > >On 2020-06-16 18:09, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: >> Added a service road. >> >> Edited about hours ago by >> >> Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 >> >> https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm >If you think it is fake, you first comment on the changeset and ask the >mapper to explain. Or look at his profile and see if you can get more >information about the mapper. >If you think the mapper is continuously mapping incorrectly you can >address the OSMF. But than you need to be able to show some kind of >dialog with the mapper in question and show that he is repeatedly and >purpousfully mapping incorrectly. > >Regards, >Maarten ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.
JOSM validator does report a number of errors and warnings in the area, but I don't think they are related to this specific change set. Mike On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:16 AM Mike Thompson wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:53 AM <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote: > > > > yes, and i will wait to see if anyone gets it. > We can hardly evaluate the issue if you don't share with us your concerns. > > This edit was made by someone working for Amazon Logistics. They have > been very receptive to specific constructive feedback. > > The only very minor issue I see is: > * https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/816385173 and > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/703399318 could probably be combined. > > Mike > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:53 AM <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote: > > yes, and i will wait to see if anyone gets it. We can hardly evaluate the issue if you don't share with us your concerns. This edit was made by someone working for Amazon Logistics. They have been very receptive to specific constructive feedback. The only very minor issue I see is: * https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/816385173 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/703399318 could probably be combined. Mike ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
