[Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
In southern Illinois - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.777&lon=-88.689&zoom=10&layers=B000FTF - user bhj867 has added a number of new highways, most notably the motorways at Murphysboro, Carbondale, Marion, and Harrisburg, and the trunk from Eldorado to New Haven. But it appears that these are fake; no such highways have been built. A Google search for "Little Egypt Expressway", the name given to said motorways, gives no results, and neither do more general searches such as Marion Illinois bypass or Eldorado New Haven 141. (Major new highways like these would be covered by the news if nothing else.) None of them show up on Illinois Department of Transportation maps - http://www.dot.state.il.us/maps.html - as existing or proposed. (The small IL 13 trunk bypass of downtown Harrisburg, also added by bhj867, has been built, though I wouldn't trust the interchanges.) On April 28 I contacted bhj867 through OSM with a simple question: does the Little Egypt Expressway have another name, since I can't find anything about it under that name? He hasn't replied or edited since then. Concurrent with the sending of this message I am asking him to respond to the accusations and identify precisely which of his contributions are vandalism. If he does not do so, I would presume there is nothing to do but revert all his edits. If he does, the vandalism needs to be reverted, and there have definitely been changes to some of the existing and new ways since his edits. I will contact these lists if he does respond. I am unable to do this reversion. I am bringing this here because I cannot take care of the cleanup by myself, and any such cleanup that I would be forced to do if nobody helps would be incomplete and probably mess things up further. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
Richard Welty wrote: >On 5/4/10 7:09 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> In southern Illinois - >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.777&lon=-88.689&zoom=10&layers=B000FTF >> - user bhj867 has added a number of new highways, most notably the >> motorways at Murphysboro, Carbondale, Marion, and Harrisburg, and the >> trunk from Eldorado to New Haven. But it appears that these are fake; >> >I suggest that you drop markers in http://openstreetbugs.appspot.com/ >A local mapper may see them ad investigate. It doesn't need to be investigated; it's definite vandalism. The only thing that needs investigation is which of his edits are not. >> and any such cleanup that I >> would be forced to do if nobody helps would be incomplete and probably >> mess things up further. >> >i think it's also a really bad idea to see yourself as being "forced" to >do anything >to the map that might make things worse. if you're not local and can't >do a ground >survey, then just bring it up and move on. And if the only local is the vandal? The US is a huge place, and this would amount to an open invitation to vandals (who don't even need to be local; they can just choose an area likely to have no local mappers). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
On 5/4/10 7:09 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: In southern Illinois - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.777&lon=-88.689&zoom=10&layers=B000FTF - user bhj867 has added a number of new highways, most notably the motorways at Murphysboro, Carbondale, Marion, and Harrisburg, and the trunk from Eldorado to New Haven. But it appears that these are fake; I suggest that you drop markers in http://openstreetbugs.appspot.com/ A local mapper may see them ad investigate. and any such cleanup that I would be forced to do if nobody helps would be incomplete and probably mess things up further. i think it's also a really bad idea to see yourself as being "forced" to do anything to the map that might make things worse. if you're not local and can't do a ground survey, then just bring it up and move on. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 07:09 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > On April 28 I contacted bhj867 through OSM with a simple question: > does the Little Egypt Expressway have another name, since I can't find > anything about it under that name? Heh, he also gave it fake TIGER tags! Funny stuff. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
On 5/4/10 10:40 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 07:09 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >> On April 28 I contacted bhj867 through OSM with a simple question: >> does the Little Egypt Expressway have another name, since I can't find >> anything about it under that name? >> > Heh, he also gave it fake TIGER tags! Funny stuff. > the date on the change set wouldn't happen to be April 1st, would it? richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
> > > > And if the only local is the vandal? The US is a huge place, and this > would amount to an open invitation to vandals (who don't even need to > be local; they can just choose an area likely to have no local > mappers). > > other places are even larger and entirely empty. vandals can chose from a wide range. this is not US specific if there are no local mappers why bother? If a consumer of the data is interested than it's their call to improve things. and sooner or later local mappers will exist and work on it. > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
Richard Welty wrote: > On 5/4/10 10:40 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: >> Heh, he also gave it fake TIGER tags! Funny stuff. >> > the date on the change set wouldn't happen to be April 1st, would it? > Apr 13 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4415970 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
On 5/4/10 10:32 PM, Alex S. wrote: > Richard Welty wrote: > >> On 5/4/10 10:40 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: >> >>> Heh, he also gave it fake TIGER tags! Funny stuff. >>> >>> >> the date on the change set wouldn't happen to be April 1st, would it? >> >> > Apr 13 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4415970 > someone didn't have their joke prepared in a timely manner. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
Response from bhj867: Delete everything except the bypass, which is finished except the Interchanges, and the Rollie Moore Drive. south of town. Also Route 45 IS 4 lane through the city all the way to ELdorado, everything else is not real. Just A few proposed roads and crap that was added on. West Harrisburg DOES NOT EXIST either. I would help you delete all that crap, but Im too busy. Didn't realize this map was supposed to be a real map. Just through some stuff in there. Thought it was a game or something. Come to find out it's more like Wikipedia. oh yea RT 13 IS a trunk road between murphysboro and Harrisburg. and thats it. I screenshotted West Harrisburg for posterity: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:West_Harrisburg.jpg If someone is willing to do an automated revert and list objects that have been edited since, I'll clean those up. Then I'll do what I can to restore the correct roads with undeletion. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Response from bhj867: > > Didn't realize this map was supposed to be a > real map. Just through some stuff in there. Thought it was a game or > something. Come to find out it's more like Wikipedia. > That right there says more about the introductory documentation than really anyone else has been able to articulate. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
Hi, Tyler Ritchie wrote: > That right there says more about the introductory documentation than > really anyone else has been able to articulate. I'm struggling to find *any* method of signing up to OSM and modifying data that makes it look like a game. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
