Re: [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013
Eric, I think that could work. I think as long as the stroke color isn't similar to the existing set of colors used to render ways in JOSM. Maybe purple or something. Just a thought. Best, Kristen --- OSM Profile --> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/KristenK From: enf1234567...@gmail.com [mailto:enf1234567...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Eric Fischer Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:05 AM To: Dale Puch Cc: Kam, Kristen -(p); t...@openstreetmap.org; Paul Johnson; OpenStreetMap talk-us list Subject: Re: [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013 Thanks for the feedback about colors in JOSM. I can clearly see now that what made for good contrast in iD is hard to use in JOSM. I'll try some new styles today and make sure they stand out in both editors. I think maybe the answer is to put a casing around the line so that it has a different look even if the color is similar. Eric ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013
Thanks for the feedback about colors in JOSM. I can clearly see now that what made for good contrast in iD is hard to use in JOSM. I'll try some new styles today and make sure they stand out in both editors. I think maybe the answer is to put a casing around the line so that it has a different look even if the color is similar. Eric ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013
Thanks. I'll try to make that clearer in the next revision. Eric On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Between changed and unchanged. > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Eric Fischer wrote: > >> Thanks for the report! >> >> Can you be a little more specific about what you want to show more >> contrast: >> >> * Between TIGER roads and iD or JOSM roads? >> * Between TIGER roads and the aerial imagery? >> * Between TIGER roads and railroads? >> * Between different classes of TIGER roads? >> * Something else? >> >> If you have a screenshot of two things that look alike to you and that >> should be distinguishable, that would be a big help. >> >> I don't think the 2012 TIGER layer uses any color at all, unless the >> color was too subtle for me to see too. >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >>> On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Eric Fischer wrote: >>> There are only a few colors involved: streets are yellow and railroads are blue, and both are a little brighter if they have changed since the 2006 data. Service roads are drawn a little thinner than the rest, following the example of the 2012 TIGER layer. >>> >>> More contrast, please! I can't tell the difference between the colors. >>> The change in colors are too subtle to tell apart. And that's coming from >>> me, I have a JOSM stylesheet that colors maxspeed=* to color the same as >>> JOSM colors GPX for car speeds, and I can tell the difference between 30, >>> 35, 40, and 45 MPH at a glance. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-us mailing list >>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>> >>> >> > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013
Between changed and unchanged. On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Eric Fischer wrote: > Thanks for the report! > > Can you be a little more specific about what you want to show more > contrast: > > * Between TIGER roads and iD or JOSM roads? > * Between TIGER roads and the aerial imagery? > * Between TIGER roads and railroads? > * Between different classes of TIGER roads? > * Something else? > > If you have a screenshot of two things that look alike to you and that > should be distinguishable, that would be a big help. > > I don't think the 2012 TIGER layer uses any color at all, unless the color > was too subtle for me to see too. > > Eric > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Eric Fischer wrote: >> >>> There are only a few colors involved: streets are yellow and railroads >>> are blue, and both are a little brighter if they have changed since the >>> 2006 data. Service roads are drawn a little thinner than the rest, >>> following the example of the 2012 TIGER layer. >>> >> >> More contrast, please! I can't tell the difference between the colors. >> The change in colors are too subtle to tell apart. And that's coming from >> me, I have a JOSM stylesheet that colors maxspeed=* to color the same as >> JOSM colors GPX for car speeds, and I can tell the difference between 30, >> 35, 40, and 45 MPH at a glance. >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> >> > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Eric Fischer wrote: > I don't think the 2012 TIGER layer uses any color at all, unless the color > was too subtle for me to see too. > It does not: only white lines and text with a black outline. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013
Thanks for the report! Can you be a little more specific about what you want to show more contrast: * Between TIGER roads and iD or JOSM roads? * Between TIGER roads and the aerial imagery? * Between TIGER roads and railroads? * Between different classes of TIGER roads? * Something else? If you have a screenshot of two things that look alike to you and that should be distinguishable, that would be a big help. I don't think the 2012 TIGER layer uses any color at all, unless the color was too subtle for me to see too. Eric On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Eric Fischer wrote: > >> There are only a few colors involved: streets are yellow and railroads >> are blue, and both are a little brighter if they have changed since the >> 2006 data. Service roads are drawn a little thinner than the rest, >> following the example of the 2012 TIGER layer. >> > > More contrast, please! I can't tell the difference between the colors. > The change in colors are too subtle to tell apart. And that's coming from > me, I have a JOSM stylesheet that colors maxspeed=* to color the same as > JOSM colors GPX for car speeds, and I can tell the difference between 30, > 35, 40, and 45 MPH at a glance. > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013
On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Eric Fischer wrote: > There are only a few colors involved: streets are yellow and railroads are > blue, and both are a little brighter if they have changed since the 2006 > data. Service roads are drawn a little thinner than the rest, following the > example of the 2012 TIGER layer. > More contrast, please! I can't tell the difference between the colors. The change in colors are too subtle to tell apart. And that's coming from me, I have a JOSM stylesheet that colors maxspeed=* to color the same as JOSM colors GPX for car speeds, and I can tell the difference between 30, 35, 40, and 45 MPH at a glance. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013
Thanks for the feedback!
There are only a few colors involved: streets are yellow and railroads are
blue, and both are a little brighter if they have changed since the 2006
data. Service roads are drawn a little thinner than the rest, following the
example of the 2012 TIGER layer.
I actually already have the name expansion ready (thanks to Paul Norman and
Toby Murray) and just need to generate and upload the new tiles.
The code for this one is part of
https://github.com/ericfischer/tiger-deltaand in particular
https://github.com/ericfischer/tiger-delta/blob/master/get-county-delta2
In the screenshot you posted, my intent was not to say that the OSM streets
shown were outdated, but instead to show that the good parts of the TIGER
data are already in OSM. At zoom level 16 and beyond, like the TIGER 2012
layer, this layer shows all the streets in TIGER, whether or not they are
also mapped in OSM. It's only if you zoom out to
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=15/47.8945/-122.2455 or lower that
streets that are already in OSM will be masked out from those in TIGER.
Would you find it useful to have TIGER-minus-OSM available even when zoomed
all the way in? I thought since all the OSM streets are already visible in
the editor's own display that it would be distracting to draw them twice.
But I am biased because iD shows the live street data at z16+ and doesn't
at zooms <16, and maybe the transition looks weird in JOSM.
Eric
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
> Eric,
> One other issue. Here is a link,
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/v1je9m490c0yns4/Why%20Flagged.png, to an area,
> http://osm.org/go/WJIDU~lZs-- near me. You can ignore the crazy tiger
> data on the right! However, notice the streets, 114th St SW, 115th St SW,
> 8th Pl W and 8 Ave W. There all all existing, but were flagged as being
> outdated. Is it because they are not exactly the same as the tiger data?
>
> BTW, I really appreciate the work you are putting into helping us fix
> streets along with Martijn's Battlegrid.
>
> Clifford
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>> A big help would be to have an understanding of how ways are displayed on
>> the overlay. I see different shapes and colors. What do they represent?
>>
>> I can help with the name expansion. I have a fair number of abbreviations
>> that I've used in Washington State.
>>
>> BTW is your code at https://github.com/ericfischer/osm-tiger-update?
>>
>> Clifford
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Eric Fischer wrote:
>>
>>> As was just announced on the MapBox blog (
>>> https://www.mapbox.com/blog/openstreetmap-tiger/) there is a new
>>> OpenStreetMap tracing layer for 2013 Census Bureau TIGER map data in the US.
>>>
>>> The main reason for it, aside from incorporating this year's TIGER
>>> changes, is to provide different features at different zoom levels:
>>>
>>> * At zoom 16 and up, like the TIGER 2012 layer, it shows all the current
>>> TIGER roads so that they can be compared with OpenStreetMap and the
>>> discrepancies corrected.
>>>
>>> * At zoom 12-15, it shows only the TIGER roads that have been changed
>>> since the import in 2006, with the current state of OpenStreetMap masked
>>> out, so you see only the places where TIGER has been changed (and
>>> presumably corrected) but OpenStreetMap hasn't. This should give an easier
>>> overview of what places need attention.
>>>
>>> * At zooms below 12, like the Battle Grid, it also shows discrepancies
>>> between OSM and TIGER, but simplified because the individual streets are
>>> too small to draw in detail. It's a static calculation that will get
>>> periodically refreshed, but not instantly, as OpenStreetMap changes.
>>>
>>> The tile URL is http://{switch:a,b,c}.
>>> tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.ho204tap,enf.ho20a3n1,enf.game1617/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.pngbut
>>> as the comma-separated list in the URL suggests, it is actually a
>>> composite of three layers that work together:
>>>
>>> TIGER streets/changes:
>>> https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.ho204tap/page.html?secure=1#14/40.3648/-86.8654
>>> OpenStreetMap mask:
>>> https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.ho20a3n1/page.html?secure=1#14/40.3648/-86.8654
>>> Low zooms:
>>> https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.game1617/page.html?secure=1#11/40.3648/-86.8654
>>>
>>> In the pull request for iD (https://github.com/systemed/iD/pull/2010)
>>> Ian Dees pointed out that the abbreviations in street names should expanded
>>> and that it would be good to also include house numbers. I'll be updating
>>> the vector data with expanded names in the next few days and will add the
>>> house numbers as soon as I can. Please let me know if you see anything else
>>> that ought to be better.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
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Re: [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013
Eric,
One other issue. Here is a link,
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v1je9m490c0yns4/Why%20Flagged.png, to an area,
http://osm.org/go/WJIDU~lZs-- near me. You can ignore the crazy tiger data
on the right! However, notice the streets, 114th St SW, 115th St SW, 8th Pl
W and 8 Ave W. There all all existing, but were flagged as being outdated.
Is it because they are not exactly the same as the tiger data?
BTW, I really appreciate the work you are putting into helping us fix
streets along with Martijn's Battlegrid.
Clifford
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Clifford Snow wrote:
> Eric,
> A big help would be to have an understanding of how ways are displayed on
> the overlay. I see different shapes and colors. What do they represent?
>
> I can help with the name expansion. I have a fair number of abbreviations
> that I've used in Washington State.
>
> BTW is your code at https://github.com/ericfischer/osm-tiger-update?
>
> Clifford
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Eric Fischer wrote:
>
>> As was just announced on the MapBox blog (
>> https://www.mapbox.com/blog/openstreetmap-tiger/) there is a new
>> OpenStreetMap tracing layer for 2013 Census Bureau TIGER map data in the US.
>>
>> The main reason for it, aside from incorporating this year's TIGER
>> changes, is to provide different features at different zoom levels:
>>
>> * At zoom 16 and up, like the TIGER 2012 layer, it shows all the current
>> TIGER roads so that they can be compared with OpenStreetMap and the
>> discrepancies corrected.
>>
>> * At zoom 12-15, it shows only the TIGER roads that have been changed
>> since the import in 2006, with the current state of OpenStreetMap masked
>> out, so you see only the places where TIGER has been changed (and
>> presumably corrected) but OpenStreetMap hasn't. This should give an easier
>> overview of what places need attention.
>>
>> * At zooms below 12, like the Battle Grid, it also shows discrepancies
>> between OSM and TIGER, but simplified because the individual streets are
>> too small to draw in detail. It's a static calculation that will get
>> periodically refreshed, but not instantly, as OpenStreetMap changes.
>>
>> The tile URL is http://{switch:a,b,c}.
>> tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.ho204tap,enf.ho20a3n1,enf.game1617/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.pngbut
>> as the comma-separated list in the URL suggests, it is actually a
>> composite of three layers that work together:
>>
>> TIGER streets/changes:
>> https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.ho204tap/page.html?secure=1#14/40.3648/-86.8654
>> OpenStreetMap mask:
>> https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.ho20a3n1/page.html?secure=1#14/40.3648/-86.8654
>> Low zooms:
>> https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.game1617/page.html?secure=1#11/40.3648/-86.8654
>>
>> In the pull request for iD (https://github.com/systemed/iD/pull/2010)
>> Ian Dees pointed out that the abbreviations in street names should expanded
>> and that it would be good to also include house numbers. I'll be updating
>> the vector data with expanded names in the next few days and will add the
>> house numbers as soon as I can. Please let me know if you see anything else
>> that ought to be better.
>>
>> Eric
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013
Eric,
A big help would be to have an understanding of how ways are displayed on
the overlay. I see different shapes and colors. What do they represent?
I can help with the name expansion. I have a fair number of abbreviations
that I've used in Washington State.
BTW is your code at https://github.com/ericfischer/osm-tiger-update?
Clifford
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Eric Fischer wrote:
> As was just announced on the MapBox blog (
> https://www.mapbox.com/blog/openstreetmap-tiger/) there is a new
> OpenStreetMap tracing layer for 2013 Census Bureau TIGER map data in the US.
>
> The main reason for it, aside from incorporating this year's TIGER
> changes, is to provide different features at different zoom levels:
>
> * At zoom 16 and up, like the TIGER 2012 layer, it shows all the current
> TIGER roads so that they can be compared with OpenStreetMap and the
> discrepancies corrected.
>
> * At zoom 12-15, it shows only the TIGER roads that have been changed
> since the import in 2006, with the current state of OpenStreetMap masked
> out, so you see only the places where TIGER has been changed (and
> presumably corrected) but OpenStreetMap hasn't. This should give an easier
> overview of what places need attention.
>
> * At zooms below 12, like the Battle Grid, it also shows discrepancies
> between OSM and TIGER, but simplified because the individual streets are
> too small to draw in detail. It's a static calculation that will get
> periodically refreshed, but not instantly, as OpenStreetMap changes.
>
> The tile URL is http://{switch:a,b,c}.
> tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.ho204tap,enf.ho20a3n1,enf.game1617/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.pngbut
> as the comma-separated list in the URL suggests, it is actually a
> composite of three layers that work together:
>
> TIGER streets/changes:
> https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.ho204tap/page.html?secure=1#14/40.3648/-86.8654
> OpenStreetMap mask:
> https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.ho20a3n1/page.html?secure=1#14/40.3648/-86.8654
> Low zooms:
> https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.game1617/page.html?secure=1#11/40.3648/-86.8654
>
> In the pull request for iD (https://github.com/systemed/iD/pull/2010) Ian
> Dees pointed out that the abbreviations in street names should expanded and
> that it would be good to also include house numbers. I'll be updating the
> vector data with expanded names in the next few days and will add the house
> numbers as soon as I can. Please let me know if you see anything else that
> ought to be better.
>
> Eric
>
> ___
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>
>
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[Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013
As was just announced on the MapBox blog (
https://www.mapbox.com/blog/openstreetmap-tiger/) there is a new
OpenStreetMap tracing layer for 2013 Census Bureau TIGER map data in the US.
The main reason for it, aside from incorporating this year's TIGER changes,
is to provide different features at different zoom levels:
* At zoom 16 and up, like the TIGER 2012 layer, it shows all the current
TIGER roads so that they can be compared with OpenStreetMap and the
discrepancies corrected.
* At zoom 12-15, it shows only the TIGER roads that have been changed since
the import in 2006, with the current state of OpenStreetMap masked out, so
you see only the places where TIGER has been changed (and presumably
corrected) but OpenStreetMap hasn't. This should give an easier overview of
what places need attention.
* At zooms below 12, like the Battle Grid, it also shows discrepancies
between OSM and TIGER, but simplified because the individual streets are
too small to draw in detail. It's a static calculation that will get
periodically refreshed, but not instantly, as OpenStreetMap changes.
The tile URL is http://{switch:a,b,c}.
tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.ho204tap,enf.ho20a3n1,enf.game1617/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.pngbut
as the comma-separated list in the URL suggests, it is actually a
composite of three layers that work together:
TIGER streets/changes:
https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.ho204tap/page.html?secure=1#14/40.3648/-86.8654
OpenStreetMap mask:
https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.ho20a3n1/page.html?secure=1#14/40.3648/-86.8654
Low zooms:
https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/enf.game1617/page.html?secure=1#11/40.3648/-86.8654
In the pull request for iD (https://github.com/systemed/iD/pull/2010) Ian
Dees pointed out that the abbreviations in street names should expanded and
that it would be good to also include house numbers. I'll be updating the
vector data with expanded names in the next few days and will add the house
numbers as soon as I can. Please let me know if you see anything else that
ought to be better.
Eric
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