Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
Long press. press, press ... typically less than 5 seconds (depending on the situation I might not even stop walking). Simon Am 14.04.2015 um 01:32 schrieb John F. Eldredge: That depends, in part, on how long you want to stand there pecking away at your device, and how suspicious folks are likely to become if you stand in front of each building for up to several minutes before moving on. On April 13, 2015 4:02:24 AM CDT, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: IMHO if you are actually entering stuff in to a mobile device, you may as well use vespucci and just do it properly the first time. But hten I'm biased. Simon Am 12.04.2015 um 18:50 schrieb Greg Morgan: On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com mailto:kli...@gmail.com wrote: In areas with detached houses, the Android app Keypadmapper has worked pretty well for me. Once house numbers get too dense (worst case: Montreal, where each apartment in a duplex or triplex will have it's own house number) it starts getting tricky assigning the number to the correct building. And yeah, Mapillary imagery can definitely be useful for address data. Keypad mapper is wonderful because you are not as conspicuous when using pen and paper. I've tried using ranges were I drop the leading two digits while entering five digit numbers. There's a bunch of post processing when you actually enter the data. With any technique that I use, I always feel like Billy in the family circus. It is amazing where people put addresses. Commercial buildings can be the worst case to try and find the number. http://familycircus.com/comics/april-5-2015/ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
If all you are doing on the spot is recording the house number On April 14, 2015 5:48:09 AM CDT, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Long press. press, press ... typically less than 5 seconds (depending on the situation I might not even stop walking). Simon Am 14.04.2015 um 01:32 schrieb John F. Eldredge: That depends, in part, on how long you want to stand there pecking away at your device, and how suspicious folks are likely to become if you stand in front of each building for up to several minutes before moving on. On April 13, 2015 4:02:24 AM CDT, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: IMHO if you are actually entering stuff in to a mobile device, you may as well use vespucci and just do it properly the first time. But hten I'm biased. Simon Am 12.04.2015 um 18:50 schrieb Greg Morgan: On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com mailto:kli...@gmail.com wrote: In areas with detached houses, the Android app Keypadmapper has worked pretty well for me. Once house numbers get too dense (worst case: Montreal, where each apartment in a duplex or triplex will have it's own house number) it starts getting tricky assigning the number to the correct building. And yeah, Mapillary imagery can definitely be useful for address data. Keypad mapper is wonderful because you are not as conspicuous when using pen and paper. I've tried using ranges were I drop the leading two digits while entering five digit numbers. There's a bunch of post processing when you actually enter the data. With any technique that I use, I always feel like Billy in the family circus. It is amazing where people put addresses. Commercial buildings can be the worst case to try and find the number. http://familycircus.com/comics/april-5-2015/ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
Am 14.04.2015 um 20:42 schrieb John F. Eldredge: If all you are doing on the spot is recording the house number, then what is the advantage to using Vespucci instead of a simpler tool? No further processing step, upload and you are finished. Other stuff, POIs and so one will tend to take longer since you typically will want to at least type in a name, however that is likely to be an universal issue. The alternative: taking a geo-referenced photograph (after many 1000's of voice notes I've given up on them) tends to not be very inconspicuous either. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
Commercial buildings are particularly difficult here in Nashville, TN, because about 80% of commercial buildings have no street address posted on the outside. Apparently, they aren't required to do so. On April 12, 2015 11:50:21 AM CDT, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: In areas with detached houses, the Android app Keypadmapper has worked pretty well for me. Once house numbers get too dense (worst case: Montreal, where each apartment in a duplex or triplex will have it's own house number) it starts getting tricky assigning the number to the correct building. And yeah, Mapillary imagery can definitely be useful for address data. Keypad mapper is wonderful because you are not as conspicuous when using pen and paper. I've tried using ranges were I drop the leading two digits while entering five digit numbers. There's a bunch of post processing when you actually enter the data. With any technique that I use, I always feel like Billy in the family circus. It is amazing where people put addresses. Commercial buildings can be the worst case to try and find the number. http://familycircus.com/comics/april-5-2015/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
That depends, in part, on how long you want to stand there pecking away at your device, and how suspicious folks are likely to become if you stand in front of each building for up to several minutes before moving on. On April 13, 2015 4:02:24 AM CDT, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: IMHO if you are actually entering stuff in to a mobile device, you may as well use vespucci and just do it properly the first time. But hten I'm biased. Simon Am 12.04.2015 um 18:50 schrieb Greg Morgan: On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com mailto:kli...@gmail.com wrote: In areas with detached houses, the Android app Keypadmapper has worked pretty well for me. Once house numbers get too dense (worst case: Montreal, where each apartment in a duplex or triplex will have it's own house number) it starts getting tricky assigning the number to the correct building. And yeah, Mapillary imagery can definitely be useful for address data. Keypad mapper is wonderful because you are not as conspicuous when using pen and paper. I've tried using ranges were I drop the leading two digits while entering five digit numbers. There's a bunch of post processing when you actually enter the data. With any technique that I use, I always feel like Billy in the family circus. It is amazing where people put addresses. Commercial buildings can be the worst case to try and find the number. http://familycircus.com/comics/april-5-2015/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
IMHO if you are actually entering stuff in to a mobile device, you may as well use vespucci and just do it properly the first time. But hten I'm biased. Simon Am 12.04.2015 um 18:50 schrieb Greg Morgan: On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com mailto:kli...@gmail.com wrote: In areas with detached houses, the Android app Keypadmapper has worked pretty well for me. Once house numbers get too dense (worst case: Montreal, where each apartment in a duplex or triplex will have it's own house number) it starts getting tricky assigning the number to the correct building. And yeah, Mapillary imagery can definitely be useful for address data. Keypad mapper is wonderful because you are not as conspicuous when using pen and paper. I've tried using ranges were I drop the leading two digits while entering five digit numbers. There's a bunch of post processing when you actually enter the data. With any technique that I use, I always feel like Billy in the family circus. It is amazing where people put addresses. Commercial buildings can be the worst case to try and find the number. http://familycircus.com/comics/april-5-2015/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
My few trial uses of Vespucci lead me to believe that I need an data connection while using it. Am I wrong? With OsmPad, KeyPad or OSMtracker I can collect data while off line which is very important to me. Cheers, Tod On Apr 13, 2015, at 2:02 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: IMHO if you are actually entering stuff in to a mobile device, you may as well use vespucci and just do it properly the first time. But hten I'm biased. Simon smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: In areas with detached houses, the Android app Keypadmapper has worked pretty well for me. Once house numbers get too dense (worst case: Montreal, where each apartment in a duplex or triplex will have it's own house number) it starts getting tricky assigning the number to the correct building. And yeah, Mapillary imagery can definitely be useful for address data. Keypad mapper is wonderful because you are not as conspicuous when using pen and paper. I've tried using ranges were I drop the leading two digits while entering five digit numbers. There's a bunch of post processing when you actually enter the data. With any technique that I use, I always feel like Billy in the family circus. It is amazing where people put addresses. Commercial buildings can be the worst case to try and find the number. http://familycircus.com/comics/april-5-2015/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
It looks awesome steve great job, i love seeing addresses added to osm as well. *Regards,* *Hans* *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13* On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 11.04.2015 um 16:47 schrieb Steve Friedl st...@unixwiz.net: but this presentation with numbers scattered all over just doesn’t look right, so maybe I’m doing something wrong. don't worry, the current rendering of house numbers is more aiming at the mappers (to give an idea of completeness) rather than to look pretty for a general map consumer... cheers Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
Excellent job Steve, I believe that house addresses is the only thing missing from OSM that is stopping it from becoming the mainstream mapping data of choice! I’ve always been interested in how to collect addresses, which can be a time consuming and difficult task. Walking around a neighborhood with paper and pencil peering into people’s letter boxes and at their front doors may upset some people, so I’ve though up a (possibly) better way. Two people, in a car. Two GPS units, probably both smartphones, one recording the track log and the other recording the passengers voice. As you drive down the road, the passenger calls out something like….. 12 left 15right 14 left 16 right….. turning left on main street, 67 left etc, etc.. Then later in an editor you can match times from the two sources and compare against Bing imagery to correctly place the house numbers. Cheers ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
Am 11.04.2015 um 16:47 schrieb Steve Friedl st...@unixwiz.net: but this presentation with numbers scattered all over just doesn’t look right, so maybe I’m doing something wrong. don't worry, the current rendering of house numbers is more aiming at the mappers (to give an idea of completeness) rather than to look pretty for a general map consumer... cheers Martin___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Steve Friedl st...@unixwiz.net wrote: I’ve been adding individualized house numbers to many houses in my neighborhood, and I’m just not sure this is how I’m supposed to do it because it just looks funky on the map. One area with 1 or 2-digit house numbers: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/33.68743/-117.66593layers=N Another area with 5-digit house numbers: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/33.65699/-117.65517layers=N Having the detailed address information in the database has to be useful, but this presentation with numbers scattered all over just doesn’t look right, so maybe I’m doing something wrong. Is this the way it’s supposed to be done? I love seeing addresses being added. Thanks!!! The house numbers look correct, although it isn't often you see single digit house numbers. Adding addr:city and addr:postcode would be nice as well. In JOSM you can select all of the houses to add addr:city and addr:postcode at one time. Rendering of house numbers is not pretty but it is what it is. Ideally they either wouldn't be rendered or only at max zoom level. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
Hi all, I've been adding individualized house numbers to many houses in my neighborhood, and I'm just not sure this is how I'm supposed to do it because it just looks funky on the map. One area with 1 or 2-digit house numbers: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/33.68743/-117.66593 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/33.68743/-117.66593layers=N layers=N Another area with 5-digit house numbers: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/33.65699/-117.65517 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/33.65699/-117.65517layers=N layers=N Having the detailed address information in the database has to be useful, but this presentation with numbers scattered all over just doesn't look right, so maybe I'm doing something wrong. Is this the way it's supposed to be done? Steve --- Stephen J Friedl | Security Consultant | UNIX Wizard | 714 345-4571 mailto:st...@unixwiz.net st...@unixwiz.net | Southern California | Windows Guy | unixwiz.net ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
As to the first: Yes, definitely a great job of mapping address house numbers! As to gathering numbers: I’ve gone through several iterations on collecting data. At first I was using a walking papers style method complete with people asking me what I was doing and, in one case, calling the police. That was too much attention for my liking. My next iteration was to use OSMtracker with a set of ear buds with microphone and simply gathering a voice sample as I walked by a house. This actually worked pretty well. I was inconspicuous as people are used to phone users talking to themselves. I had two problems with it however: First there was sometimes ambient noise that made it difficult to hear the number when played back. Second, and far worse, it took longer to enter all the data than it took to collect. I’d take a two hour walk in the morning and spend the rest of the day entering data. Okay to do occasionally but not something to make a career of. My current method is to use OSMpad and type in the numbers as I walk by. Data collection is a little slower and more conspicuous than using OSMtracker with a microphone but so far it is inconspicuous enough that I don’t attract attention. After all, many people wander the streets oblivious to their surroundings while texting. A mapper appearing to do the same thing is not remarkable. The big advantage over voice recordings is that in JOSM it only takes a couple of minutes to align the address points with the satellite imagery, verify street names, add city and upload. Regarding doing address collection in a car, or for that matter on a bicycle, I don’t think it is really feasible to get each number that way unless you are driving at walking speed. Think how long it actually takes to 1. Press a record button, 2. Wait a second to assure it is recording, 3. speak the number or street name. If you are driving at 25 MPH that is 37 feet/second. In my neighborhood you need to be consistently entering a new address every second to second and a half. Try clearly enunciating a 2, 3, 4 or even 5 digit house number in 1.5 seconds. Now try doing that consistently for hundreds of houses. If you are only interested in house number ranges, then collection in a moving vehicle could be feasible. But I don’t consider it feasible to get individual numbers for all houses along a street that way: Too much typing or speaking in too little time. A solution to that would be to be automatically taking geotagged photographs continuously the same as the survey vehicles that Google and other employ. I suppose the price of that type of thing will drop but for now if you are just mapping with a handheld GPS or smart phone walking is the best way I know to collect house numbers. Cheers, Tod On Apr 11, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent job Steve, I believe that house addresses is the only thing missing from OSM that is stopping it from becoming the mainstream mapping data of choice! I’ve always been interested in how to collect addresses, which can be a time consuming and difficult task. Walking around a neighborhood with paper and pencil peering into people’s letter boxes and at their front doors may upset some people, so I’ve though up a (possibly) better way. Two people, in a car. Two GPS units, probably both smartphones, one recording the track log and the other recording the passengers voice. As you drive down the road, the passenger calls out something like….. 12 left 15right 14 left 16 right….. turning left on main street, 67 left etc, etc.. Then later in an editor you can match times from the two sources and compare against Bing imagery to correctly place the house numbers. Cheers ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
In areas with detached houses, the Android app Keypadmapper has worked pretty well for me. Once house numbers get too dense (worst case: Montreal, where each apartment in a duplex or triplex will have it's own house number) it starts getting tricky assigning the number to the correct building. And yeah, Mapillary imagery can definitely be useful for address data. Harald. On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 5:37 PM Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: As to the first: Yes, definitely a great job of mapping address house numbers! As to gathering numbers: I’ve gone through several iterations on collecting data. At first I was using a walking papers style method complete with people asking me what I was doing and, in one case, calling the police. That was too much attention for my liking. My next iteration was to use OSMtracker with a set of ear buds with microphone and simply gathering a voice sample as I walked by a house. This actually worked pretty well. I was inconspicuous as people are used to phone users talking to themselves. I had two problems with it however: First there was sometimes ambient noise that made it difficult to hear the number when played back. Second, and far worse, it took longer to enter all the data than it took to collect. I’d take a two hour walk in the morning and spend the rest of the day entering data. Okay to do occasionally but not something to make a career of. My current method is to use OSMpad and type in the numbers as I walk by. Data collection is a little slower and more conspicuous than using OSMtracker with a microphone but so far it is inconspicuous enough that I don’t attract attention. After all, many people wander the streets oblivious to their surroundings while texting. A mapper appearing to do the same thing is not remarkable. The big advantage over voice recordings is that in JOSM it only takes a couple of minutes to align the address points with the satellite imagery, verify street names, add city and upload. Regarding doing address collection in a car, or for that matter on a bicycle, I don’t think it is really feasible to get each number that way unless you are driving at walking speed. Think how long it actually takes to 1. Press a record button, 2. Wait a second to assure it is recording, 3. speak the number or street name. If you are driving at 25 MPH that is 37 feet/second. In my neighborhood you need to be consistently entering a new address every second to second and a half. Try clearly enunciating a 2, 3, 4 or even 5 digit house number in 1.5 seconds. Now try doing that consistently for hundreds of houses. If you are only interested in house number ranges, then collection in a moving vehicle could be feasible. But I don’t consider it feasible to get individual numbers for all houses along a street that way: Too much typing or speaking in too little time. A solution to that would be to be automatically taking geotagged photographs continuously the same as the survey vehicles that Google and other employ. I suppose the price of that type of thing will drop but for now if you are just mapping with a handheld GPS or smart phone walking is the best way I know to collect house numbers. Cheers, Tod On Apr 11, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent job Steve, I believe that house addresses is the only thing missing from OSM that is stopping it from becoming the mainstream mapping data of choice! I’ve always been interested in how to collect addresses, which can be a time consuming and difficult task. Walking around a neighborhood with paper and pencil peering into people’s letter boxes and at their front doors may upset some people, so I’ve though up a (possibly) better way. Two people, in a car. Two GPS units, probably both smartphones, one recording the track log and the other recording the passengers voice. As you drive down the road, the passenger calls out something like….. 12 left 15right 14 left 16 right….. turning left on main street, 67 left etc, etc.. Then later in an editor you can match times from the two sources and compare against Bing imagery to correctly place the house numbers. Cheers ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
