Re: [Talk-us] Contacting non-responders with less than a month to go
So, who here has a LinkedIn account that they wouldn't mind using to contact a few people to help try to save some data? I don't have an account there (yet) because I don't have any use for one and thought that if somebody already had one, they might be able to help out and attempt to contact a few people there. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Contacting non-responders with less than a month to go
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: > * Toby Murray [2012-03-06 23:09 -0600]: >> kyrbyboy with edits New Jersey > > I tried to find kyrbyboy elsewhere online and found likely accounts on > tripadvisor.com and city-data.com. Neither yielded a reply, and > city-data.com says my message hasn't been viewed. I think kyrbyboy is > pretty solidly in the not-going-to-respond camp. Yeah, I found the tripadvisor account as well. In fact it was hard to find anything in google about him that was NOT related to tripadvisor! It seems like he is only active every few months, presumably when he travels. I'm still hoping he has a trip scheduled in the next few weeks and logs in to check some hotel reviews first :) Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Contacting non-responders with less than a month to go
* Toby Murray [2012-03-06 23:09 -0600]: > kyrbyboy with edits New Jersey I tried to find kyrbyboy elsewhere online and found likely accounts on tripadvisor.com and city-data.com. Neither yielded a reply, and city-data.com says my message hasn't been viewed. I think kyrbyboy is pretty solidly in the not-going-to-respond camp. -- ...computer contrarian of the first order... / http://aperiodic.net/phil/ PGP: 026A27F2 print: D200 5BDB FC4B B24A 9248 9F7A 4322 2D22 026A 27F2 --- -- 2920 B.C.: A legendary flood sweeps Slashdot, filling up a Borland / Inprise story with hundreds of offtopic posts. -- The history of the world, according to Yu Suzuki --- -- ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Contacting non-responders with less than a month to go
I've been having so-so success on contacting people in the US. I've sometimes just looked around on the License Change map across the US (and in a few places in Canada like Toronto since I lived there for a bit) and just contact the people I find that show up when I click on the names. I've even sometimes took a stab in the dark and used there OSM ID and e-mailed a corresponding GMail e-mail address (got lucky doing that once for a Pittsburgh editor). Sometimes I've been lucky to get the person to accept in less than an hour sometimes (once had a guy accept in less than 5 minutes after sending the PM!). I would say my ratio of getting people to accept is at about 30%, maybe as high as 35%, but it might drop if nobody in the recent batch of PM's I send out accept. BTW Toby, I hope you've been listing the people you've been contacting here so people don't contact the same people at the same time. (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asking_users_to_accept_the_ODbL) - James > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 23:09:15 -0600 > From: toby.mur...@gmail.com > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: [Talk-us] Contacting non-responders with less than a month to go > > Well, this has been brought up before but with less than a month left > to go before the license change I thought it was worth talking about > again. > > Since December I have been steadily contacting mappers. I started out > covering Kansas and have had great success here. Since mid February, > myself and others have been working on contacting the non-responders > with the most edits in our respective countries, with some > coordination and help from Simon Poole. > > All told, I have attempted contact with about 90 people here in the > US. So far I have managed to get through to just over half and every > one of them has accepted the new terms. > > However... As great as that is, it's still barely a drop in the > bucket. My overall 50% contact rate has required a non-trivial amount > of effort involving google, twitter, facebook, linkedIn, youtube, etc > as well as a few (sometimes slightly awkward) telephone conversations. > "Hi, this is the Internet. I'm calling for your son." However I have > found that a good 25-30% of people respond after nothing but a > personal message through the OSM message system. Obviously this means > that their registered email address is still valid and they see the > notification email. This also means that they should have seen the > messages from OSMF a couple of months ago but people are lazy, > forgetful and have over-zealous spam filters. > > So everyone on this list, please take another look around your > city/state using the available tools[1] and just start sending > messages. You can easily spit out 10 messages in under an hour. > > I would suggest coming up with your own text that you feel comfortable > with. It doesn't have to be fancy. We're just trying to get eyeballs > on the target. I usually put something location specific in the > subject line to try and get their attention and let them know this > isn't an automatic email. Something like "Your map edits in " > seems to work. > > For the body I say that I noticed that they were active in OSM a > couple of years ago and thank them for their contribution. Then I > point out that since they haven't been active, they may not be aware > of the upcoming license change which requires a response from all > users and that we need their permission to carry their edits forward > into the new license and ask them to log in to their account and > review the new terms. > > That's all you need. > > And as a bonus, some of them might start mapping again! Fewer than I > had hoped... but better than nothing. > > And finally, there are two non-responders here in the US that I > haven't been able to find much on and was wondering if anyone else > happens to know any details about them. They haven't been active since > before I created my account so I thought maybe some other long-time > users might know something that I don't. If anyone has any personal > information it would probably be best to send it directly to me and > not the list. Or I guess try to contact them yourself. The user names > are: > kyrbyboy with edits New Jersey > Sunny with edits in Seattle, Denver and Beijing. > > [1] > http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe > (click on highlighted things to see user names of decliners/non-responders) > http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?layers=00B0 > (hold CTRL and draw a box to get a list of people in the area with > dirty objects) > http://yosmhm.neis-one.org/ > (to see where they have edited) > > Toby > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Contacting non-responders with less than a month to go
Well, this has been brought up before but with less than a month left to go before the license change I thought it was worth talking about again. Since December I have been steadily contacting mappers. I started out covering Kansas and have had great success here. Since mid February, myself and others have been working on contacting the non-responders with the most edits in our respective countries, with some coordination and help from Simon Poole. All told, I have attempted contact with about 90 people here in the US. So far I have managed to get through to just over half and every one of them has accepted the new terms. However... As great as that is, it's still barely a drop in the bucket. My overall 50% contact rate has required a non-trivial amount of effort involving google, twitter, facebook, linkedIn, youtube, etc as well as a few (sometimes slightly awkward) telephone conversations. "Hi, this is the Internet. I'm calling for your son." However I have found that a good 25-30% of people respond after nothing but a personal message through the OSM message system. Obviously this means that their registered email address is still valid and they see the notification email. This also means that they should have seen the messages from OSMF a couple of months ago but people are lazy, forgetful and have over-zealous spam filters. So everyone on this list, please take another look around your city/state using the available tools[1] and just start sending messages. You can easily spit out 10 messages in under an hour. I would suggest coming up with your own text that you feel comfortable with. It doesn't have to be fancy. We're just trying to get eyeballs on the target. I usually put something location specific in the subject line to try and get their attention and let them know this isn't an automatic email. Something like "Your map edits in " seems to work. For the body I say that I noticed that they were active in OSM a couple of years ago and thank them for their contribution. Then I point out that since they haven't been active, they may not be aware of the upcoming license change which requires a response from all users and that we need their permission to carry their edits forward into the new license and ask them to log in to their account and review the new terms. That's all you need. And as a bonus, some of them might start mapping again! Fewer than I had hoped... but better than nothing. And finally, there are two non-responders here in the US that I haven't been able to find much on and was wondering if anyone else happens to know any details about them. They haven't been active since before I created my account so I thought maybe some other long-time users might know something that I don't. If anyone has any personal information it would probably be best to send it directly to me and not the list. Or I guess try to contact them yourself. The user names are: kyrbyboy with edits New Jersey Sunny with edits in Seattle, Denver and Beijing. [1] http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe (click on highlighted things to see user names of decliners/non-responders) http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?layers=00B0 (hold CTRL and draw a box to get a list of people in the area with dirty objects) http://yosmhm.neis-one.org/ (to see where they have edited) Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
