Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name
On 4/30/2014 11:59 PM, David K wrote: If a street has name=Elm Street but a house has addr:street=S Elm St, I consider this perfectly valid (in a city that in fact has only one Elm Street). (Sidebar: I use USPS abbreviations in addr:street values because that's how USPS prefers mail to be addressed.) To have a program present this as an error will could editors to change the presentation of good data against established local conventions. I'm not at all clear about OSM conventions in representing USPS mailing addresses VS city boundary of residence. I've never attempted to handle OSM notes of the sort I'm in X city, but CraigsList shows me in Y city. Most new OSM contributors would enter the S Elm St form, but this is different from the established convention of creating road names without abbreviations. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name
In my part of Ohio it's very common to have something like the following: 250 South Elm Street and 250 North Elm Street are two distinct addresses on the same Elm Street (but on opposite sides of the city's east-west axis). Often (but not always) the direction prefix appears on street signs, but to me the name is just Elm Street. The prefix is only important as part of an address; it can be (and in practice usually is) dropped from the street name without ambiguity. If a street has name=Elm Street but a house has addr:street=S Elm St, I consider this perfectly valid (in a city that in fact has only one Elm Street). (Sidebar: I use USPS abbreviations in addr:street values because that's how USPS prefers mail to be addressed.) To have a program present this as an error will could editors to change the presentation of good data against established local conventions. The opposite situation from the start of the thread sounds much more unusual to me. But it might also be valid. If a city has both a East Elm Street and a West Elm Street, the range of housenumbers is not garanteed to be the same for both, regardless of whether they are really one and the same Elm Street. If the housenumbers on East Elm Street only go up to 2400, the housenumbers on a hypothetically longer West Elm Street might go up to 2999 before continuing with 3000 Elm Street and up. If that's how mail to those locations is addressed, then it's valid. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, [ ... ] I wonder: Is OSMI correct in flagging this for correction, or is this something that nobody really cares about and that should not be highlighted? I.e. should we, in OSMI, drop the E/N/S/W prefix of street names before trying to find a match? Oh, nice! And, if you have thoughts on this, please indicate the area for which your feedback applies. There may be regional differences. Thanks again to Geotab for sponsoring the expansion of the address inspector to global coverage. And to Geofabrik for creating it in the first place! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name
I vote for keeping this check in place (i.e. an exact match of the street name), because there are some places (in California, I think) where the prefix/suffix changes from North to West as you are driving down the road, and I believe it's important that we distinguish between the two. -- Saikrishna Arcot On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 09:05:41 PM Frederik Ramm wrote: I wonder: Is OSMI correct in flagging this for correction, or is this something that nobody really cares about and that should not be highlighted? I.e. should we, in OSMI, drop the E/N/S/W prefix of street names before trying to find a match? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Saikrishna Arcot saiarcot...@gmail.comwrote: I vote for keeping this check in place (i.e. an exact match of the street name), because there are some places (in California, I think) where the prefix/suffix changes from North to West as you are driving down the road, and I believe it's important that we distinguish between the two. This is true. In many cases there will be a separate 123 North Elm Street and 123 South Elm Street, and by chopping off the directional prefix, these two houses get ambiguous addresses. My best guess is that the addr:street tag is mistaken. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name
On 4/29/14 4:08 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: * Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org [2014-04-29 21:05 +0200]: In looking at its current error messages and warnings, I find many situations in the US where the way itself has a name tag of South Apple Tree Road but the house has an addr:street tag of just Apple Tree Road. This leads to a street not found error. addr:street should probably be compared to both name and alt_name (The reverse is more interesting; if a house has address 15 South Apple Tree Road but the street signs on that road say, Apple Tree Road, I don't think there's complete consensus on how to tag that, though the most common approach, from what I've seen, is to name the road's way South Apple Tree Road.) and i'd probably be inclined to put the signed version in name, and the alternate in alt_name richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: In looking at its current error messages and warnings, I find many situations in the US where the way itself has a name tag of South Apple Tree Road but the house has an addr:street tag of just Apple Tree Road. This leads to a street not found error. I wonder: Is OSMI correct in flagging this for correction, or is this something that nobody really cares about and that should not be highlighted? I.e. should we, in OSMI, drop the E/N/S/W prefix of street names before trying to find a match? Please keep the check in until data would indicate we should change it. I've been trying to clean up roads in my county, which is rural. Street signs in some places have no direction indicator even though local know the street as East Fir (for example.) Making it worse, the counties parcel data has both parcels with and without direction prefix. Today I was out resolving notes. County data/TIGER had a road with three segments. The end two were Avenue and the middle was Street. The OSMI tools is great for finding these types of errors. In King County we used your tool to with the county to show addresses that did not match the streets. Let me add to what Richard Weait said, this is a great tool. Thanks to you for creating the tools and Geotab for expanding the coverage. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name
From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:06 PM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap Subject: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name I wonder: Is OSMI correct in flagging this for correction, or is this something that nobody really cares about and that should not be highlighted? I.e. should we, in OSMI, drop the E/N/S/W prefix of street names before trying to find a match? I would consider OSMI correct here. The directional affixes are a Significant part of the address and should be included, so either the addr:street or street's name tag are wrong, or there's some other error. I'm in Vancouver, BC, but this holds true most places I've been for at least *some* of the roads in the area. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
