Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

[Kathleen Danielson]

How clever! +1


On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

>
> 2013/6/26 stevea 
>
>> I regularly click on the History tab in a wide swath of Bay Area (my home
>> turf) looking for new edits, and especially, new mappers.
>
>
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> You might be interested in this ITTT recipe by Simone Cortesi, it is based
> on the RSS feed Pascal Neis creates, and you can easily adopt it to your
> area:
> https://ifttt.com/recipes/44673
> Every time a new user edits in your defined bounding box you'll get an
> email.
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Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2013/6/26 stevea 

> I regularly click on the History tab in a wide swath of Bay Area (my home
> turf) looking for new edits, and especially, new mappers.



You might be interested in this ITTT recipe by Simone Cortesi, it is based
on the RSS feed Pascal Neis creates, and you can easily adopt it to your
area:
https://ifttt.com/recipes/44673
Every time a new user edits in your defined bounding box you'll get an
email.

cheers,
Martin


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Italia
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Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

[Clay Smalley]

I make an effort to welcome new mappers when I see them, but it's
unrealistic to ensure every new mapper is onboarded this way. There needs
to be a more formal process, and I like a lot of the ideas that have been
presented.
On Jun 26, 2013 12:54 PM, "stevea"  wrote:

> **
> Good discussion!
>
> I regularly click on the History tab in a wide swath of Bay Area (my home
> turf) looking for new edits, and especially, new mappers.  I virtually
> always make it a point to welcome new mappers in the area with something
> along the lines of "great job, welcome to the community!"  Depending on
> their response (from none to enthusiasm) I will "friend" them and/or offer
> my technical expertise, history of the area, suggestions, answers to their
> questions or whatever else they want/need to know.
>
> I realize not everybody can or will do this, but imagine what a very nice
> and welcoming place OSM would be if most OSM volunteers (who are
> intermediate and advanced contributors) DID do this!  (OSM is a fairly
> friendly place right now, don't get me wrong).
>
> Just like my mother taught me about waving to the neighbors:  it doesn't
> cost ANYthing to be friendly!
>
> (Being HELPFUL can take time, yes, but please, "give what you can.")
>
> It isn't creepy or Big Brother to click on the History tab and watch what
> is going on around you.  Rather, it makes for a better and friendlier
> mapping community.  Those who are ham radio operators, think of the
> deep-knowledge "Elmers" in the community who give back so much.  It's the
> same thing:  shared wisdom.
>
> SteveA
> California
>
>
> Bryce Nesbitt writes:
>
> 3) A first edit could go in a queue for an experienced mapper to look at
> and comment on.  Hopefully that comment is "*great job, welcome to the
> community!*"
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Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

[stevea]

Good discussion!

I regularly click on the History tab in a wide swath of Bay Area (my 
home turf) looking for new edits, and especially, new mappers.  I 
virtually always make it a point to welcome new mappers in the area 
with something along the lines of "great job, welcome to the 
community!"  Depending on their response (from none to enthusiasm) I 
will "friend" them and/or offer my technical expertise, history of 
the area, suggestions, answers to their questions or whatever else 
they want/need to know.


I realize not everybody can or will do this, but imagine what a very 
nice and welcoming place OSM would be if most OSM volunteers (who are 
intermediate and advanced contributors) DID do this!  (OSM is a 
fairly friendly place right now, don't get me wrong).


Just like my mother taught me about waving to the neighbors:  it 
doesn't cost ANYthing to be friendly!


(Being HELPFUL can take time, yes, but please, "give what you can.")

It isn't creepy or Big Brother to click on the History tab and watch 
what is going on around you.  Rather, it makes for a better and 
friendlier mapping community.  Those who are ham radio operators, 
think of the deep-knowledge "Elmers" in the community who give back 
so much.  It's the same thing:  shared wisdom.


SteveA
California


Bryce Nesbitt writes:
3) A first edit could go in a queue for an experienced mapper to 
look at and comment on.  Hopefully that comment is "great job, 
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Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

[Russell Deffner]

Charlotte,

 

I don't disagree with:


If an organization doesn't reach out to people in a positive way,
they won't stay, and they won't do their best when mapping



But the key here is, this is different.  What organization is/represents
OSM?  And beyond, how can any organization say they 'are' OSM?  If you think
the OSM-US (or international) Foundation(s) should be doing more, I think
they're always looking for volunteers to work with the Communications
Working Group
<http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Communication_Working_Group> .

 

In a nutshell, I do my best to gently reach out to new mappers if I think
they may need some guidance; but never say 'you need to tag this
differently' (without an explanation of a better way).

 

=Russ

russdeff...@gmail.com

russdeffner on OSM

 

 

From: Charlotte Wolter [mailto:techl...@techlady.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:17 PM
To: Bryce Nesbitt; Talk-US@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

 

Bryce,

Yes, most people sign up and never hear from OSM again. So they go
about their mapping as best they can until, perhaps, they join the Newbies
list (which often has highly technical discussions that many don't
understand) or they get told they are doing something wrong.
If an organization doesn't reach out to people in a positive way,
they won't stay, and they won't do their best when mapping
It would be better if there were some kind of regular, positive
communication from OSM. That could come in several forms:
--a newsletter (monthly or bimonthly), which is something most
volunteer organizations have (so, why don't we?)
 --occasional emails about new developments in OSM mapping.
MapRoulette and LearnOSM are prime examples.
--outreach from OSM "veterans" to mappers in their geographical
area. This could be as simple as, "Hello, I'm mapping in (your area). If you
have a question, don't hesitate to contact me." Of course we would need to
set up some way to send new mappers email addresses to seasoned mappers.
As for tests, the idea itself is not bad, in the proper context.
But, unless we have a rapport with people, and have given them clear
direction and learning resources (something we don't do now), a test will
just drive them away. 
A better way to do testing might be to let people know from the
beginning that we want to make sure everyone is mapping the right way, so at
some point (after a month?) we will be asking them to take a quick quiz on
OSM principles. The carrot is that the one with the best score (each month?)
gets a prize (SOTM t-shirt? OSM hat? OSM pin?). Rewards keep people around,
not criticism.
Now all we have to do is come to some agreement on what is the right
way to tag. :-)

Charlotte


At 10:41 AM 6/26/2013, you wrote:



Moved from another thread:

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:51 AM, stevea < stevea...@softworkers.com
<mailto:stevea...@softworkers.com> > wrote:

OSM has a peer review process in place right now.  It is called "watch the
map, help it evolve, grow it as you can, if somebody does something
odd/wrong/different, dialog with them."  And then, take it from there.

We're all grown ups here.


There may be a few children mixed in. But mostly, coming to OSM, signing up,
and mapping can be a very lonely experience.
In most cases nobody greets you or talks to you unless you make a mistake.

Changing that culture could change the participation or retention rate,
particularly among non-grownups (meaning the generations of children growing
up with social networking as a given).  OSM outside of mapping parties is
only barely social to a new mapper.

The tools could help:
1) After the first edit from a new user, the tools could present a list of
rules (chief among them don't copy from unapproved sources!).
2) A new users could be required to take a small quiz, like certain dating
sites do, prior to finalizing the edit.
3) A first edit could go in a queue for an experienced mapper to look at and
comment on.  Hopefully that comment is "great job, welcome to the
community!"
4) Editing a feature connected to a relation could bring up education on
route relations.  Perhaps even there is a skill level threshold: you must
have 25 peer reviewed edits prior to deleting a way that's part of a route
relation.  It becomes a goal a new mapper might strive to reach.
5) New users could be given 10 free edits, prior to needing to provide more
contact information and/or pass an editing quiz.
6) New users could be given their choice of a mapping challenge, where the
"correct" results are known,.
7) etc.

With all this effort to get new mappers in the USA we should be thrilled a
mapper wants to contribute...
... and put in the work to ensure such new

Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

[Charlotte Wolter]

Bryce,

Yes, most people sign up and never hear from OSM again. So 
they go about their mapping as best they can until, perhaps, they 
join the Newbies list (which often has highly technical discussions 
that many don't understand) or they get told they are doing something wrong.
If an organization doesn't reach out to people in a positive 
way, they won't stay, and they won't do their best when mapping
It would be better if there were some kind of regular, 
positive communication from OSM. That could come in several forms:
--a newsletter (monthly or bimonthly), which is something 
most volunteer organizations have (so, why don't we?)
--occasional emails about new developments in OSM mapping. 
MapRoulette and LearnOSM are prime examples.
--outreach from OSM "veterans" to mappers in their 
geographical area. This could be as simple as, "Hello, I'm mapping in 
(your area). If you have a question, don't hesitate to contact me." 
Of course we would need to set up some way to send new mappers email 
addresses to seasoned mappers.
As for tests, the idea itself is not bad, in the proper 
context. But, unless we have a rapport with people, and have given 
them clear direction and learning resources (something we don't do 
now), a test will just drive them away.
A better way to do testing might be to let people know from 
the beginning that we want to make sure everyone is mapping the right 
way, so at some point (after a month?) we will be asking them to take 
a quick quiz on OSM principles. The carrot is that the one with the 
best score (each month?) gets a prize (SOTM t-shirt? OSM hat? OSM 
pin?). Rewards keep people around, not criticism.
Now all we have to do is come to some agreement on what is 
the right way to tag. :-)


Charlotte


At 10:41 AM 6/26/2013, you wrote:

Moved from another thread:

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:51 AM, stevea 
<stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:
OSM has a peer review process in place right now.  It is called 
"watch the map, help it evolve, grow it as you can, if somebody does 
something odd/wrong/different, dialog with them."  And then, take it 
from there.

We're all grown ups here.


There may be a few children mixed in. But mostly, coming to OSM, 
signing up, and mapping can be a very lonely experience.

In most cases nobody greets you or talks to you unless you make a mistake.

Changing that culture could change the participation or retention 
rate, particularly among non-grownups (meaning the generations of 
children growing up with social networking as a given).  OSM outside 
of mapping parties is only barely social to a new mapper.


The tools could help:
1) After the first edit from a new user, the tools could present a 
list of rules (chief among them don't copy from unapproved sources!).
2) A new users could be required to take a small quiz, like certain 
dating sites do, prior to finalizing the edit.
3) A first edit could go in a queue for an experienced mapper to 
look at and comment on.  Hopefully that comment is "great job, 
welcome to the community!"
4) Editing a feature connected to a relation could bring up 
education on route relations.  Perhaps even there is a skill level 
threshold: you must have 25 peer reviewed edits prior to deleting a 
way that's part of a route relation.  It becomes a goal a new mapper 
might strive to reach.
5) New users could be given 10 free edits, prior to needing to 
provide more contact information and/or pass an editing quiz.
6) New users could be given their choice of a mapping challenge, 
where the "correct" results are known,.

7) etc.

With all this effort to get new mappers in the USA we should be 
thrilled a mapper wants to contribute...
... and put in the work to ensure such new users be onboarded and 
brought into OSM culture.


Note that:
Wikipedia has a strong reasons to allow completely anonymous edits. 
OSM I think not so much.  We could ask
more of people who want to edit, with the goal of making more good 
mappers, rather than just more mappers.
We should honor an support mappers who have narrow interests... and 
find ways to harness their energy.  We can ask users to ascend a 
ladder of skills, to unlock capabilities within the community.



And it could be tested regionally.  If there's a theory that 
"raising the bar" will reduce participation, it can be tested.  I 
suspect that peer review of first edits, or achievement levels, 
would increase participation.






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Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

[Ian Dees]

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:

> Moved from another thread:
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:51 AM, stevea  wrote:
>
>> OSM has a peer review process in place right now.  It is called "watch
>> the map, help it evolve, grow it as you can, if somebody does something
>> odd/wrong/different, dialog with them."  And then, take it from there.
>>  We're all grown ups here.
>>
>
> There may be a few children mixed in. But mostly, coming to OSM, signing
> up, and mapping can be a *very lonely experience.*
> In most cases *nobody* greets you or *talks* to you unless you make a *
> mistake*.
>

I think the work happening on Groups in the OSM.org website [0] would
really help this. Once groups are available and started:

   - There are existing tools that highlight new mappers and the more
experienced users could invite the new mappers to join groups that relate
to their location or interests
   - We could automatically look at the first edit(s) a user makes and
suggest (via an e-mail) that they join groups that relate to their changes

Groups would make the community a lot smaller and inviting for brand new
people but allow more experienced users to communicate with each other more
efficiently, too.

[0] https://github.com/osmlab/openstreetmap-website/commits/groups-sketch
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[Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

[Bryce Nesbitt]

Moved from another thread:

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:51 AM, stevea  wrote:

> OSM has a peer review process in place right now.  It is called "watch the
> map, help it evolve, grow it as you can, if somebody does something
> odd/wrong/different, dialog with them."  And then, take it from there.
>  We're all grown ups here.
>

There may be a few children mixed in. But mostly, coming to OSM, signing
up, and mapping can be a *very lonely experience.*
In most cases *nobody* greets you or *talks* to you unless you make a *
mistake*.

Changing that culture could change the participation or retention rate,
particularly among* non-grownups *(meaning the generations of children
growing up with social networking as a given).  OSM outside of mapping
parties is only barely social to a new mapper.

The tools could help:

1) After the first edit from a new user, the tools could present a list
of rules (chief among them* don't copy from unapproved sources*!).

2) A new users could be required to take a small quiz, like certain dating
sites do, prior to finalizing the edit.

3) A first edit could go in a queue for an experienced mapper to look at
and comment on.  Hopefully that comment is "*great job, welcome to the
community!*"

4) Editing a feature connected to a relation could bring up education on
route relations.  Perhaps even there is a skill level threshold: you must
have *25 peer reviewed* edits prior to deleting a way that's part of a
route relation.  It becomes a goal a new mapper might strive to reach.

5) New users could be given 10 free edits, prior to needing to provide more
contact information and/or pass an editing quiz.

6) New users could be given their choice of a mapping challenge, where the
"correct" results are known,.
|
7) etc.

With all this effort to get new mappers in the USA we should be thrilled a
mapper wants to contribute...
... and put in the work to ensure such new users be onboarded and brought
into OSM culture.

Note that:
Wikipedia has a strong reasons to allow completely anonymous edits. OSM I
think not so much.  We could ask
more of people who want to edit, with the goal of making more good mappers,
rather than just more mappers.
We should honor an support mappers who have narrow interests... and find
ways to harness their energy.  We can ask users to ascend a ladder of
skills, to unlock capabilities within the community.


And it could be tested regionally.  If there's a theory that "raising the
bar" will reduce participation, it can be tested.  I suspect that peer
review of first edits, or achievement levels, would increase participation.
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