Re: [Talk-us] Potential Import of Addresses for Thurston County, WA, USA
It might work, although it opens some wiki questions. I mean, at some point somewhere, I am gonna have to put probably on the wiki that thurston county gave permission to use the data so that we have it for future records. On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 03:08 -0700, Pat Tressel wrote: > One option for both including the attribution and also not having to > worry about future mappers editing it, and hence needing to be warned > to remove an attribution, is to put the attribution in the changeset > comments, rather than in a tag. Or, to use a tag, include some > boilerplate with the attribution that says it was originally from XYZ > but they are not responsible for later changes. > > When they say changed, do they mean just the material map data -- > points, polygons, addresses? If so, removing their tags / metadata > would not constitute a change under that definition of change. > > (Semi-off-topic: Note that for a different project, if we imported > external data, we *wanted* the metadata. In particular, we wanted > any dataset / table primary key or identifier, *in case we had to > update the record with changes from the same dataset* -- we wanted to > match up the record we had with a modified record in the original > source. Likewise, if we had a change on our end, that needed to be > pushed back to the original source -- we'd need the identifier for > that as well.) > > -- Pat > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Potential Import of Addresses for Thurston County, WA, USA
Is specifying source in changeset or on import page on Wiki qualifying as crediting them? Because doing this is actually required. 26 Aug 2020, 02:07 by thekingofrav...@disroot.org: > Alright I have an update: > > After an email chain with Thurston County GeoData Center, I finally got > explicit permission to use the data in open street map. > > "Hello Raven, > > You can use the data in Open Street Maps and credit GeoData UNLESS you > change the data in any way. If you change the data you can still use it > in Open Street Maps but CANNOT credit GeoData and the County. We make > no warrantees about the data temporally, spatially, or in terms of > attribution. > > Please let me know if this helps to clarify the disclaimer or if you > still have questions. > > Thank you! > > Leslie Carman > GIS Analyst I" > > I can provide the entire email chain if required but this is the part > that matters. As for the terms they gave me, what is the best way of handling > this? My instinct is just to, in some very minor way, ensure every piece of > data is modified somehow so future mappers do not have to worry about it. > Does just adding it to OSM count as modification, since we convert the data > fields? > > At this point, I would like to propose that we import this data, as > this includes rural towns and unincorporated thurston > county. > I would divide the building footprints into small blocks to avoid well > mapped areas. > As for addresses, because they are points and there are so few > addresses in my region, I feel like we could be more aggresive about > that import, although how much so I am not certain. > > > Also @Clifford Snow if you see this I would appreciate whatever you > have to teach about imports. > > Sincerely, > Raven > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Potential Import of Addresses for Thurston County, WA, USA
Raven, I would suggest you add the email contents to the contributors [1] section of the wiki. I agree with you that we will be modifying their data by not using their tags and adding ours. I would recommend making a note of that on the wiki. I am happy to help you get started with your import. If you have time, we could do a video chat to go over how I do imports and what would work best for you. Please email me off line with some time frames that would work for you. Clifford [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#United_States#Washington_State On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 5:07 PM Raven King wrote: > Alright I have an update: > > After an email chain with Thurston County GeoData Center, I finally got > explicit permission to use the data in open street map. > > "Hello Raven, > > You can use the data in Open Street Maps and credit GeoData UNLESS you > change the data in any way. If you change the data you can still use it > in Open Street Maps but CANNOT credit GeoData and the County. We make > no warrantees about the data temporally, spatially, or in terms of > attribution. > > Please let me know if this helps to clarify the disclaimer or if you > still have questions. > > Thank you! > > Leslie Carman > GIS Analyst I" > > I can provide the entire email chain if required but this is the part > that matters. As for the terms they gave me, what is the best way of > handling this? My instinct is just to, in some very minor way, ensure every > piece of data is modified somehow so future mappers do not have to worry > about it. Does just adding it to OSM count as modification, since we > convert the data fields? > > At this point, I would like to propose that we import this data, as > this includes rural towns and unincorporated thurston > county. > I would divide the building footprints into small blocks to avoid well > mapped areas. > As for addresses, because they are points and there are so few > addresses in my region, I feel like we could be more aggresive about > that import, although how much so I am not certain. > > > Also @Clifford Snow if you see this I would appreciate whatever you > have to teach about imports. > > Sincerely, > Raven > > -- @osm_washington www.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Potential Import of Addresses for Thurston County, WA, USA
Alright I have an update: After an email chain with Thurston County GeoData Center, I finally got explicit permission to use the data in open street map. "Hello Raven, You can use the data in Open Street Maps and credit GeoData UNLESS you change the data in any way. If you change the data you can still use it in Open Street Maps but CANNOT credit GeoData and the County. We make no warrantees about the data temporally, spatially, or in terms of attribution. Please let me know if this helps to clarify the disclaimer or if you still have questions. Thank you! Leslie Carman GIS Analyst I" I can provide the entire email chain if required but this is the part that matters. As for the terms they gave me, what is the best way of handling this? My instinct is just to, in some very minor way, ensure every piece of data is modified somehow so future mappers do not have to worry about it. Does just adding it to OSM count as modification, since we convert the data fields? At this point, I would like to propose that we import this data, as this includes rural towns and unincorporated thurston county. I would divide the building footprints into small blocks to avoid well mapped areas. As for addresses, because they are points and there are so few addresses in my region, I feel like we could be more aggresive about that import, although how much so I am not certain. Also @Clifford Snow if you see this I would appreciate whatever you have to teach about imports. Sincerely, Raven ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Potential Import of Addresses for Thurston County, WA, USA
On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 03:53:55 -0700 Raven King wrote: > Hello: > > I discovered that Thurston County, WA publishes a database of > addresses stored as gps pins inside a shape file. > The data can be found here: > https://gisdata-thurston.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/thurston-address-points-tcomm?geometry=-122.915%2C47.023%2C-122.914%2C47.023 > > The license can be seen where it has a link labeled "Custom License" > next to a picture of a lock. I didn't see anything in there that would > prohibit our use of this, but extra eyes are needed. The most interesting clauses in the license is: "Users are not authorized to license, re-license, assign, release publish, transfer, sell or otherwise make available any portion of these Data, or any information from GIS data derived from these Datasets, to a third party in any format revealing Thurston County as the source of the data." This solves the attribution issue quite nicely: we're *forbidden* to credit this data to Thurston County. > The database has 128,639 addresses. My goal would be to import the > entirety of it into OSM, as Thurston county has very few addresses in > OSM. They would be imported as points, since the database has them > stored as points. > > The caveats I see are as follows: > * The database probably has some addresses that are wrong. While > everything I could verify has been correct, I only checked about 100 > addresses. A quick look at the data in JOSM doesn't reveal any large-scale problems. Some observations: * Almost every point corresponds to a building or some other object (eg. a parking lot) that would reasonably be expected to have an address. There are a few oddities, such as a wetland. * There are a few multi-story apartment buildings where the address points don't correspond to the actual locations of the units. * I think you'll want to build street names off the "StreetName", "St_PreMod", "St_PreDir", "St_PreType", "St_PosDir", and "St_PosType" fields rather than any of the other fields. * There are seven duplicate addresses in the data. -- Mark ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Potential Import of Addresses for Thurston County, WA, USA
Hello: I discovered that Thurston County, WA publishes a database of addresses stored as gps pins inside a shape file. The data can be found here: https://gisdata-thurston.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/thurston-address-points-tcomm?geometry=-122.915%2C47.023%2C-122.914%2C47.023 The license can be seen where it has a link labeled "Custom License" next to a picture of a lock. I didn't see anything in there that would prohibit our use of this, but extra eyes are needed. The database has 128,639 addresses. My goal would be to import the entirety of it into OSM, as Thurston county has very few addresses in OSM. They would be imported as points, since the database has them stored as points. The caveats I see are as follows: * The database probably has some addresses that are wrong. While everything I could verify has been correct, I only checked about 100 addresses. * There may be some overlap with buildings that already had addresses entered. Since Thurston County has very few addresses in OSM, I don't see this being a huge issue. I have never done an import, and I do not know what the process for both consensus and the actual import would be. Sincerely, Raven King ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
