Re: [Talk-us] Rail tagging in North America: usage=* (again)

2020-06-05 Thread Chuck Sanders
To further this suggestion, I've prepared a draft copy of the replacement
section on my user page of the wiki, here:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Nathhad/TaggingNADraft

Please feel free to use that draft as a basis for feedback.  Thanks!

Chuck
Virginia

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck Sanders  wrote:

> There was substantial discussion on the OpenRailwayMap/Tagging in North
> America talk page back in May-October, 2018 (with a brief copy to this
> list) trying to sort out a better means of differentiating usage=main from
> usage=branch appropriately.  However, this prior discussion never really
> came to a consensus; I believe, from going back over it, that may be in
> part because no one was proposing relatively clear-cut guidelines to go by.
> I would personally say the wiki guidance is still very unclear as
> implemented now, since folks are still asking this question.
>
> Coming from a tiny bit more of an industry perspective, and a little
> better defined, I'd like to propose the following set of basic guiding
> characteristics that I think will probably work for at least 95% of cases,
> and clear up the confusion. If you have any interest at all in rail tagging
> in NA, please let me know if the below makes sense to you, as I'd really
> like to have some feeling of consensus before implementing it.
>
> usage=main characteristics:
> - Route connects multiple localities.
> - Predominant traffic is long-distance through traffic.
> - Local industries and customers are very likely to exist, but local
> service is clearly secondary to the through service.
> - Routes are unlikely to be dead end, and usually (but not always) connect
> to other main routes at both ends.  (Frequent exception: routes that are
> long but dead end routes, where the route is generating substantial blocks
> of traffic from major customers, most of which are destined for
> interchange.  Typical example of this exception is a mainline servicing a
> major port or industrial area, where the majority of traffic generated is
> bound for long distance travel at the connected end. However, one or two
> industries generating unit trains do not automatically make the route main).
> - Most, but not all, main routes in the US will be owned by Class I
> railroads. (Exception example: Florida East Coast is a Class II regional
> generating substantial port intermodal traffic, and unit trains of stone,
> most of which is bound for interchange; its mainline is a good candidate
> for usage=main).
>
> usage=branch characteristics:
> - Route connects multiple localities.
> - Predominant traffic is locally generated by on-line customers. Multiple
> small to medium customers along the line are typical.
> - Route serves multiple customers.
> - Route may be dead-end or connected at both ends; this does not affect
> branch classification.
> - Some through traffic may exist, but under ordinary circumstances does
> not represent the predominant source of traffic.  For example, route may be
> parallel to a main route, and may take through traffic when the main route
> is overloaded or blocked.
>
> usage=industrial characteristics:
> - Route serves a single locality, port, or industrial complex (including
> one large or multiple adjacent customers), OR
> - Route connects multiple localities, but serves a single large customer
> (exception).
> - Predominant traffic is locally generated by on-line customers. Multiple
> small to medium customers along the line are typical, though not required;
> an industrial route may equally serve a single, dispersed industry's
> complex.
> - Route may be dead-end or connected at both ends; this does not affect
> branch classification. For example, many port railroads connect to multiple
> competing mainline railroads, to allow the cluster of customers to get
> better price competition.  Conversely, many port or industrial railroads
> are part-owned by multiple larger railroads in partnership, to help promote
> fair competition and allow all participating railroads to access all the
> customers equally.
> - Route has some sort of discernible primary route through the locality or
> complex it serves. A cluster of non-independent spurs immediately off
> another railroad's main or branch track is not a good candidate for
> usage=industrial, as all of its individual tracks are better represented by
> service=spur.
>
> Overall, I would definitely say AAR Class does *not* serve as a useful
> determinant for usage tagging.  However, it can sometimes point the user in
> the right direction to start, if considered in concert with the other
> characteristics as noted.
>
> I'm hoping this might be a start to helping clarify the Wiki, and would
> really appreciate any feedback.  I'd love to incorporate as much good
> feedback as possible before I consider trying to put this in.
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck
> Virginia
>
>
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[Talk-us] Rail tagging in North America: usage=* (again)

2020-06-04 Thread Chuck Sanders
There was substantial discussion on the OpenRailwayMap/Tagging in North
America talk page back in May-October, 2018 (with a brief copy to this
list) trying to sort out a better means of differentiating usage=main from
usage=branch appropriately.  However, this prior discussion never really
came to a consensus; I believe, from going back over it, that may be in
part because no one was proposing relatively clear-cut guidelines to go by.
I would personally say the wiki guidance is still very unclear as
implemented now, since folks are still asking this question.

Coming from a tiny bit more of an industry perspective, and a little better
defined, I'd like to propose the following set of basic guiding
characteristics that I think will probably work for at least 95% of cases,
and clear up the confusion. If you have any interest at all in rail tagging
in NA, please let me know if the below makes sense to you, as I'd really
like to have some feeling of consensus before implementing it.

usage=main characteristics:
- Route connects multiple localities.
- Predominant traffic is long-distance through traffic.
- Local industries and customers are very likely to exist, but local
service is clearly secondary to the through service.
- Routes are unlikely to be dead end, and usually (but not always) connect
to other main routes at both ends.  (Frequent exception: routes that are
long but dead end routes, where the route is generating substantial blocks
of traffic from major customers, most of which are destined for
interchange.  Typical example of this exception is a mainline servicing a
major port or industrial area, where the majority of traffic generated is
bound for long distance travel at the connected end. However, one or two
industries generating unit trains do not automatically make the route main).
- Most, but not all, main routes in the US will be owned by Class I
railroads. (Exception example: Florida East Coast is a Class II regional
generating substantial port intermodal traffic, and unit trains of stone,
most of which is bound for interchange; its mainline is a good candidate
for usage=main).

usage=branch characteristics:
- Route connects multiple localities.
- Predominant traffic is locally generated by on-line customers. Multiple
small to medium customers along the line are typical.
- Route serves multiple customers.
- Route may be dead-end or connected at both ends; this does not affect
branch classification.
- Some through traffic may exist, but under ordinary circumstances does not
represent the predominant source of traffic.  For example, route may be
parallel to a main route, and may take through traffic when the main route
is overloaded or blocked.

usage=industrial characteristics:
- Route serves a single locality, port, or industrial complex (including
one large or multiple adjacent customers), OR
- Route connects multiple localities, but serves a single large customer
(exception).
- Predominant traffic is locally generated by on-line customers. Multiple
small to medium customers along the line are typical, though not required;
an industrial route may equally serve a single, dispersed industry's
complex.
- Route may be dead-end or connected at both ends; this does not affect
branch classification. For example, many port railroads connect to multiple
competing mainline railroads, to allow the cluster of customers to get
better price competition.  Conversely, many port or industrial railroads
are part-owned by multiple larger railroads in partnership, to help promote
fair competition and allow all participating railroads to access all the
customers equally.
- Route has some sort of discernible primary route through the locality or
complex it serves. A cluster of non-independent spurs immediately off
another railroad's main or branch track is not a good candidate for
usage=industrial, as all of its individual tracks are better represented by
service=spur.

Overall, I would definitely say AAR Class does *not* serve as a useful
determinant for usage tagging.  However, it can sometimes point the user in
the right direction to start, if considered in concert with the other
characteristics as noted.

I'm hoping this might be a start to helping clarify the Wiki, and would
really appreciate any feedback.  I'd love to incorporate as much good
feedback as possible before I consider trying to put this in.

Thanks,
Chuck
Virginia
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